Vote Button for Product Hunt

Add a PH upvote button to your site (community-made)

#1 Product of the DayMay 25, 2015
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Ryan Hoover@rrhoover · Founder, Product Hunt
This is awesome, @yvoschaap. 😀 We've debated whether to build something like this for a while and haven't primarily because we're unsure if people will really use it. Once we build systems for re-engaging upvoters and giving consumers more incentive to do so, I believe this will be compelling to both makers and consumers. For example, the reason why people add a tweet button to their site is to encourage people to share on Twitter (duh) and people click that button because it's a reminder to do so (an external trigger), it's easy to do (easier than copying a link, going to twitter.com, etc.), and they're rewarded with favorites/RT's/replies by sharing good content with their followers. That said, our #1 goal is to surface products most interesting and useful as determined by the community so we need to be careful makers don't abuse something like this. cc @oelmekki I'm REALLY curious to hear what everyone thinks about this (from both sides). Thoughts?
Ross Currie@rossdcurrie · Founder, CrowdLoot
@rrhoover It looks amazing and I personally think it's cool. I think the risk of abuse is offset by the awesomeness of it. Abusers will always find a way - how long until we see "Buy 50 upvotes on ProductHunt" show up on Fiverr? I AM curious to know if this is something that would trigger the voting ring detection though!
Ryan Hoover@rrhoover · Founder, Product Hunt
@rossdcurrie LOL, there's already someone selling upvotes on Fiverr (which is easy for us to detect).
Ross Currie@rossdcurrie · Founder, CrowdLoot
@rrhoover Finally the secret to ProductHunt's monetisation strategy is revealed - Fiverr :)
Yvo Schaap
Maker
@yvoschaap · CTO / Entrepreneur / Developer
@rrhoover I see only the postive side of this; it's placed as an hook to visit PH and engage with the hunt, and a badge of honor for those hunts that attracted a bunch of votes. Also don't forget the value of the PH comment section, which is now easily accesable as a means of feedback to the maker. I don't see how having this button on a landing page could add to voting abuse. Voting abuse is something that is already happening, but doubt something so visible and tracable as this button makes it an useful tool for these abuser.
Olivier El Mekki@oelmekki · maker
@rrhoover I guess incentive here would be to be able to upvote a loved product in less actions (no need to click previous tab, leaving website, find upvote button in page and click it). The less clicks, the better for everyone :) I wonder if it could not have the effect of having people using more deeply products on their first visit: getting back on PH to upvote is basically an "outlink" (even if tab is still opened). This is also a good way to drive users to PH itself. Vote widget may stay on page for months, and new users may discover PH that way. Or existing users that missed product on launch day may see it and add to one of their collections. Regarding abuse, I guess it should be made sure it's just the widget as is, and not a "PLEASE UPVOTE! => widget". But this would be even more easy to detect than people asking for upvotes on twitter :) The biggest inconvenient I see, actually, is that everyone will have to implement the widget, as upvotes will probably be biased toward those who have.
Marek Sotak@sotak · Founder, Inline Manual, Event Hunt
@rrhoover I have stumbled on this once on fiverr, sent an email to the seller if they can provide references who paid for theirs service to validate the use of it. Interesting list I got back. :)
Jason@sixside · Founder, Plug.dj
@rrhoover would something like this put companies/products at risk to get "Flagged by voting ring detection." ? I don't really see a difference between this button and putting a link direct to the Product page on ProductHunt and asking people to Upvote. Just like people ask for Facebook Likes, Twitter Follows, and YouTube Subscribes. To me they all fall under the same umbrella of "support the products/service you enjoy" But I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Jeff NeedlesHiring@jsneedles · Data @ Houseparty & Maker of Things
@rrhoover I think of this simply as a badge showing "I was on Product Hunt" makes it a less obtrusive thing than a big logo that many do. I would be far more interested in putting this onto one of my sites than a big PH logo, just because I think the idea is simple. From the standpoint of a CTA, this is fantastic. The look and feel matches what people are used to with other social mechanisms, and will bring people into the PH universe that might not known of it otherwise. Great job @yvoschaap -- one tiny thing I might say to help out the PH team... maybe add a ?ref=votebutton or something simple like that, make it really easy for them to see what's coming in from you :)
Kumar Thangudu@datarade · Technologist
@rrhoover this type of twitter blackmarket 'arms' dealing is a result of twitter having zero guards against the thousands of twitter apps that violate their terms of service. They also have no captcha code system meaning, if I was a developer, there's probably some way to programmatically generate thousands of twitter accounts with little to no-downfiltering.
syedz@syedz · Founder & CEO, ClipMine, Inc.
@rrhoover Not sure why people think this can be abused. This seems to be a convenience that PH will eventually have to add themselves. People aren't going to Upvote/Like a product just because they found a button on the product's page to click. If there are such people, there is nothing preventing them to do that on PH even without this embed. Abuse has to be handled independently of where the Upvote button is rendered.
Ryan Hoover@rrhoover · Founder, Product Hunt
@sotak - please email me that list if you don't mind (ryan at producthunt.com). 😎 @syedz - good points and I agree. The concern is more about the perceived inauthenticity of upvotes that something like this might inspire. Ultimately, the most interesting products as determined by the community, should rise to the top.
syedz@syedz · Founder & CEO, ClipMine, Inc.
@rrhoover Agreed. The perception is indeed important and has to be addressed. And obviously, one way to address that is for PH itself to provide branded embeds for Upvotes (and potentially for badges).
Steven Rushing@steven_rushing · Co-Founder of Patent Monk
@rrhoover I'd be in favor of it for the simple reason that as the Product Hunt user base continues to grow (and vote more), it allows older products to remain somewhat competitive in terms of vote totals. For example, when I'm searching for a GIF creator on PH, I'm more likely to click on the result with the most upvotes. But if the best one was created when PH was first started and received less votes, I'm more likely to miss out. With a plugin like this on your products page, future users can upvote if they find the product worth it while also driving traffic to our PH page to see our comments and possibly even follow us on PH. There's a risk of voter fraud certainly, but I'd expect PH's developers to be up to the challenge.
Yvo Schaap
Maker
@yvoschaap · CTO / Entrepreneur / Developer
@jsneedles @rrhoover I just added that feature.
Vahan Avagyan@vahanavagyan · Co-founder of Servicejoy
@rrhoover @rossdcurrie they're quick to adapt lol
Hammy Havoc@hammyhavoc · CEO, Split An Atom
@rrhoover @yvoschaap @oelmekki Would love to see this made official, if it was open-sourced then anybody could work to improve it. I often wish Twitter and Facebook would open-source their buttons as they're crying out for optimization.
Yvo Schaap
Maker
@yvoschaap · CTO / Entrepreneur / Developer
@hammyhavoc it is javascript, so you can grab it and adjust. You do need a proxy between the PH api and the script to work around crossdomain requests and add some rate limiting/request caching.
John Asbury@john_asbury
@rrhoover @yvoschaap @oelmekki as someone looking to launch on product hunt, this is a compelling option for launch, but I think it's going to be a temporary add to the site, maybe for the first 2-3 weeks post launch.
Yvo Schaap
Maker
@yvoschaap · CTO / Entrepreneur / Developer
Based on the style of extisting share buttons (Facebook, Twitter and G+) I've created this Product Hunt vote and comment button. It loads fast and integrates easily. I think the main use case would be on a landing pages as a badge to show your support of Product Hunt, show of your upvote count, and allow visitors to provide feedback with a comment on PH. Or on the day of your product hunt launch, to lure people to vote! It doesnt vote inline, but pops up the product hunt product page.
Brian Curliss@briancurliss · Founder of MailLift.com
@yvoschaap It'd be great if the button would only show when the user came from producthunt.
Yvo Schaap
Maker
@yvoschaap · CTO / Entrepreneur / Developer
@briancurliss @yvoschaap really? What if techcrunch covers your launch, links to your landing page, wouldn't you want PH-ers to have a CTA if they like what they see? Well anyway, you could code it to behave like that yourself.
Brian Curliss@briancurliss · Founder of MailLift.com
@yvoschaap maybe it's just me :)
Ross Currie@rossdcurrie · Founder, CrowdLoot
Seems like this could trigger voting ring detection?
Mike Bestvina@mbesto · Professional Utility Infielder
@rossdcurrie does that even exist here?
Ryan Angilly@angilly · Founder, Ramen
A little late to the convo here, but want to say thanks to @yvoschaap for this and drop my $0.02 Some people are asking if this is the right thing to do and worried about abuse. I don't think we need to worry about that (especially since you can't actually vote from the button just like you can't tweet from a tweet embed button). When we relaunched Ramen last week (http://www.producthunt.com/posts...) we were driving every set of eyeballs we could to our PH post page to get their feedback on what we're doing. We ended the day with around 237 votes and in the top 5. The following day we picked up another ~40 votes thanks to the daily email. Since then, however, we've gotten up over 300 (307 at time of writing). While some of these votes are certainly coming from the PH long tail, we also added a big orange bar to our homepage saying "Hey look we were featured on product hunt!" and I'm certain that some customers who are coming to us _not_ through PH are seeing that bar and thinking "oh cool I'll go vote too." Beyond the ability to get votes after the fact, the kind of social proof you get from a successful PH launch is huge. I don't know about you guys, but the first thing I do when I come across a new product is check the about page (specifically the team section) and look for other references to customers. Over the past few months, I've also increasingly taken the extra step of searching for them on PH :) I think Product Hunt has the ability not only to be a great vehicle for launching a product, but the social proof that comes along with a successful launch can continue to benefit a product long after launch. That's why we reached out to Yvo last week asking if we could use the widget from his top hunters page, ended up using EmbedHunt on our homepage for aesthetic reasons, and have already added Yvo's bug to the header of our blog (http://blog.ramen.is). Social proof is a big deal post-launch. That's where things like this button will thrive. Thanks so much for building it, Yvo.
Bogomil Shopov -Bogo@bogomep · Products. Agile. Analytics. Beer.
Are you sure this is a good idea? I am not sure how currently the algorithm works, but definitely voting from the main page is with bigger weight.
Yvo Schaap
Maker
@yvoschaap · CTO / Entrepreneur / Developer
@bogomep I'm not sure there is a vote weight difference based on the referal of the visitor. What is your source?
Bogomil Shopov -Bogo@bogomep · Products. Agile. Analytics. Beer.
@yvoschaap @bogomep See the homepage now. There is one product with 47 votes and it is currently on the second position :)
Yoav Anaki@yoavanaki · COO, Yala
@bogomep I think it has to do with number of upvotes/time since posted
Ross Currie@rossdcurrie · Founder, CrowdLoot
Bogomil Shopov -Bogo@bogomep · Products. Agile. Analytics. Beer.
@rossdcurrie - thanks. That's I am talking about :) @yvoschaap - I told you it's baaaaad :)
tonixx@tonixx · Web Developer, AllTechNews.co
@bogomep Great idea! I've added it to http://ShareBar.net along with Facebook Like, Google +1, Twitter etc. Check it now!
jack rometty@rometty_ · student
@yoavanaki @bogomep I also think this is how posts are calculated. It would be fun to make an AI using the API that figures out how PH rates products.
jack rometty@rometty_ · student
@jackrometty @bogomep brb in a few days. :)
Steven Rushing@steven_rushing · Co-Founder of Patent Monk
@rossdcurrie @bogomep Thanks for the mention of my Medium write-up @rossdcurrie ! Note, @rrhoover responded with a couple comments, but it's also important to remember than the frequency of votes matters in addition to the non-front page votes. As Ryan correctly comments in the post, you can have a post show up on PH later in the day, but if it's gaining a ton of steam it's going to shoot up FAST.