Gabriel Lewis

Faraday Future FF91 - Super fast electric car

FF 91 is Faraday's 1st production vehicle and flagship model. All-electric, autonomous-ready and seamlessly connected, it embodies our latest mobility advancements in performance, intelligence, and user experience.

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Joshua Pinter
Couple things to say about this video: 1) How did they go from this: to this: 2) Outperforming the Model S P100D by 0.11 seconds, a car that Tesla mass produces about 50,000 a year of, is not something to be making a big deal about. Tesla could spit out a concept car tomorrow that could blow that number away; but that's not the goal, the goal is *sustainable* transport. It's incredible they can do that performance whilst mass producing them and keeping them at a "reasonable" cost.
Joshua Pinter
@marko_is I don't think that's a fair statement.
Muhammad Meigooni
@marko_is My understanding was that Tesla received loans from the DoE that they paid back, with interest. Is that not the case?
Muhammad Meigooni
@marko_is Yes absolutely, but I think calling it a subsidy when it is a loan is a bit misleading.
Fraser Smith
Glad to see that FF managed something more credible this year though I think that trying to out-Tesla Tesla in performance terms is a bad move. Regardless, given the parent company's financial problems, I'm still doubtful that this will ever make it to full-scale production.
Josef
Why? Just why would the world need an electric car that accelerates as fast as a Formula 1 car? You can't use that anyways because of all those speed limits. When I first heard about FF, I though they had a vision to transform mobility. Nowadays, it seems more likely that they will be just another hypercar manufacturer for the Top 0.01%. This won't transform mobility - an affordable mass market EV might have. Last but not least: I think it's not precisely a good looking car, especially from the side. I wouldn't buy it just for its looks.
Legalcomplex
@josef_moser "..Why? Just why would the world need an electric car that accelerates as fast as a Formula 1 car? .." at some point I'll need to get to B faster than F1 human driver can drive me. I'll invest in faster AI EV over affordable EV any day.
Josef
@legalcomplex "at some point I'll need to get to B faster than F1 human driver can drive me..." I doubt that this is a use case for cars. Car traffic is limited by streets (density of traffic, build quality of streets and the human factor). EVs are somewhat limited by battery life. I'd rather invest in drones or other flying technologies.
Legalcomplex
@josef_moser maybe but the human factor is the biggest limitation in the existing infrastructure.
Fraser Smith
@legalcomplex @josef_moser But there's a difference between getting there faster and raw acceleration. The acceleration that FF boasts in its perceived competition with Tesla is utterly useless. I have a standard single motor Model S and, trust me, the acceleration even in the basic model is fun, once or twice, but deeply uncomfortable to everyone in the car. No car, whether autonomous or not, is going to be able to use such acceleration in real life.
Legalcomplex
@frassmith ok, could we agree?:‪ Speed is a Necessity. Acceleration is a Luxury. Humans are a Liability ‬
Greg Moore
Seems like FF is more concerned with creating the look and feel of a revolutionary company than building something that's attainable / sustainable. I'd be shocked if this car actually makes it off the assembly line. However, their team could probably start a pretty badass design shop as a plan B.
Jonathan Richman
Is it just me or is the ff website one of the most frustrating, unintuitive, and impossible to navigate you've ever come across?
Kyle Brazil
@jonmrich Literally the worst.
Javier Gómez-Acebo
@jonmrich I nearly punched my screen. Also, all I want to know is: a) How much better than a Tesla?; and b) How much?
Will Brennan
[Vaporwave voice] vaporware
Dr. Joseph Santoro
A 4 year old Nissan Leaf is more impressive... because it's not magic.
Christian Prenzler
This was the worst presentation I have seen, beats Tidal's famous failed launch. The company's executives can throw shade AFTER they have the Model being delivered. Definitely don't believe any of the specs. Wouldn't be surprised if the 0-60 was without the massive battery on board (empty stripped and lightweight) and if the parking demonstration was remote controlled.
Michael Sonders
That is an incredible amount of tech they've tried to cram into a v1.0 product. And I don't mean that as a compliment. E.g., on top of still-nascent autonomous driving tech (including "self-valet parking"): - "Every person in the car’s seat will intuitively know and learn your individual preferences using profile identification with “seamless entry” that relies heavily on the company’s FF ID ecosystem." - "The FF ID makes you the key to the car, using Bluetooth and facial recognition to unlock the doors, which aslo continuously but “non-intrusively” learns about you." - "The car will also adapt to the environment as well, with a propulsion system that “just knows” and anticipates the passenger’s needs. It will adjust settings for comfort, performance and safety." - "It also features seamlessly integrated WiFi hotspots in the dual antennas, and transforming wheels to adapt with driving conditions and increase aerodynamic efficiency. Oh yea, and scissor doors and flying buttresses." (Source: http://jalopnik.com/this-is-fara...) Transforming wheels? Ostensibly, they're shooting for "It's magical," but to me, this just screams, "Let's have the most bugtastic product launch possible!" Won't do any favors for their already-tarnished brand or -difficult PR situation.
Nil Vila
Honestly, I was expecting something more advanced and futuristic.
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