... keep seeing the same promise. "We don't train on your data." "Your conversations are private." Brave says it. Everyone says it. But then I read about Moonshot AI routing 23 million prompts through Claude and using the responses as training data. And OpenAI models doing things like finding a leaked API key and inventing data when they couldn't get what they wanted. So here's what I can't figure out. If you use a tool, and that ...

... which ones do you think will disappear, be acquired, or simply lose their dominance? Personally, I d bet on companies like OpenAI being part of that future. Comment from AJ(@build_with_aj): Deepseek, Z AI, Qwen, Alibaba, Moonshot (Kimi) Comment from AJ(@build_with_aj): @busmark_w_nika  Unless they give you or me a job no Comment from Asad M.(@asadmalik901): The survivors are the ones whose switching cost is a habit rather than a contract, which ... ... feature request away from being deleted, and the last two years have shown how fast it happens. Ten years is also long enough that at least one of the four gets taken apart by a regulator rather than a competitor

... itself No guaranteed returns, ever. Anyone promising that in this space, run. Non-custodial connects to your own broker/exchange account, never touches your funds directly Real numbers from testing so far: 53-58% win rate, ~2R average not a moonshot claim, just what's actually happening Try it: 7-day trial for $1, no auto-charge after you decide if you want to continue; we don't bank on you forgetting to cancel. I'll be in the comments ...

... Flash Cyber (Jul 21), Gemini Robotics 2 (Aug) xAI : Grok 4.5 (Jul 8) Meta : Muse Spark 1.1 (Jul 16) DeepSeek : V4 Flash (Jul 31 / Aug 1) Alibaba : Qwen3.7 Flash (Jul 27), Qwen 3.8-Max 2.4T params (Aug 3) Moonshot : Kimi K3 2.8T params, largest open weights ever (Jul 16) ByteDance : Seedance 2.5 (Aug 3) MiniMax : H3 multimodal (Aug 3) Huawei : openPangu-2.0-Pro 505B total / 18B active, open source (Aug 1) Meituan : LongCat 2.0 (Jul 20) NVIDIA : Nemotron ...

... response formats, scattered billing systems, and repeated integration work waste tons of development time. To solve this pain point, we built AsRouter , a one-stop API aggregation gateway. Access multiple third-party services with just one API key Supports Moonshot, ChatGLM, Doubao, DeepSeek, Qwen and Tencent Yuanbao Unified request format & standardized error handling across all APIs Centralized usage logs, metrics and billing dashboard Quick setup without complicated configuration Special offer for new users: Get $15 credit after registration ...

... Kanban board, arcade, and 45+ active API routes. Pushed live. Active dev cycle. THE THESIS: INFINITE & UNLIMITED No walled gardens. No vendor lock. The mesh absorbs everything. AI LAYER Already Wired or Integrating: ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Codex, Kimi (Moonshot AI), DeepSeek, Copilot, Hermes, OpenClaw, Grok (xAI), Perplexity, Mistral, Llama, Qwen, Stable Diffusion, Midjourney, Runway, ElevenLabs, and whatever launches tomorrow. INFRA LAYER Already Wired or Integrating: GitHub, Render, Vercel, Neon, Google Cloud, Azure, AWS, DigitalOcean, Cloudflare, Firebase, Supabase, MongoDB Atlas ... ... FRAMEWORKS Already Wired or Integrating: FastAPI, React, Three.js, WebGL, Tailwind, Socket.io, Docker, Kubernetes, Terraform, Nginx, Redis, PostgreSQL, SQLite, Figma, Notion, Linear, Jira, Slack. COMPANIES & LABS WE WANT AT THE TABLE: OpenAI, Anthropic, Google DeepMind, Microsoft, Meta AI, xAI, Moonshot

... Agent using Kimi-k2.6 from Kimi (Moonshot AI) /memory. showing off in tollecode https://tollecode.com ...

... weeks suggests they hit a nerve with AI companies that are desperate for high-quality real-world training data and willing to pay for it. The space companies (Beyond Reach Labs, GRU Space) feel like classic YC moonshots. High-risk, potentially transformational, the kind of bets that look crazy until they don't. A moon hotel sounds absurd until you remember people said the same thing about reusable rockets. Pax Historia at 35K daily users with an AI strategy game ...

... Anthropic said it uncovered industrial-scale efforts by Chinese Labs ( @DeepSeek , Moonshot and @MiniMax-M2.5 ) to extract capabilities from its Claude models via distillation. According to Anthropic, the campaigns involved: 16M+ exchanges ~24,000 fraudulent accounts Proxy networks to bypass regional restrictions Targeted extraction of reasoning, coding and tool-use abilities Distillation is a common technique for training smaller models from larger ones. The controversy here is using a competitor

... Mistral AI is released under Apache 2.0 afaik Comment from fmerian(@fmerian): @navedux  good q! personally i had good frontend results with both Opus 4.5 and Gemini 3. hope it helps Comment from fmerian(@fmerian): @navedux  ICYMI Moonshot just announced Kimi K2.5, "the strongest open-source model to date for coding, with particularly strong capabilities in front-end development." ( source ) currently free on @Kilo Code btw. hope it helps! Comment from fmerian(@fmerian): @nxnze   @nikita ... ... high level, they also want to see granular progress from the agents classic manager behavior. Sonnet has the right mix of capability and speed for this. Comment from Sacha MORARD(@sachamorard): @alina_petrova3  I agree! There are alternatives

... have rolled out Kimi K2 Turbo, the newest large-scale model from Moonshot AI , inside Trickle . It is faster, sharper, and designed for seamless creative flow. What makes this special Trickle is the first AI agentic canvas for vibe coding, a space where you can build production-ready apps and websites using natural language, images, and context. With K2 Turbo, every generation inside Magic Canvas from text to visuals to structured layouts now feels more immediate, natural, and intelligent ...

... LLMs/ data science engineering) to more theoretical work on structured reasoning. It's brilliant. Comment from Neri Zavadil(@deleted-9011325): This kind of funding shows how VCs are shifting their bets. Instead of incremental products, they re going after moonshots where the upside could redefine entire industries or even knowledge itself. Comment from Dawid Baranowski(@dawid_baranowski): Maybe not quite AGI, but I'm personally very bullish - and excited- on AI applications in hard science. Will be interesting to watch ...

... scraping or the `bun of agentic runtimes` You walk around the bay area and you can see developers grinnin'... for protocol dominance. Just like HTTP standardized how browsers talk to servers, every MCP framework is someone s moonshot to standardize how we feed, prompt, tool, etc in these models. It took 30 years before we got the HTTP of today 30 years of computing standards and a clear abstraction (a document on a server). We don t have that clarity ... ... www.producthunt.com/search?q=MCP No one trusts the abstractions they didn t write themselves. Every framework is a political stance, a philosophy on how to do the "NEW THING" right: Where does context ends and reasoning begins? How much to expose vs

... reasoning, is structured like a real product doc. Inspired by Nikita Bier, sharpened by Shreyas Doshi's & Lenny Rachitsky's clarity and learnings, and shaped by my journey at Paytm - from lawyer to SPM, it s my moonshot to build something that lasts. - Just got promoted to Senior Product Manager at Paytm. - Launched my PRD-themed website on the same day on Product Hunt This site is where my product journey gets public. It's not about what ...

... reasoning, is structured like a real product doc. Inspired by Nikita Bier, sharpened by Shreyas Doshi's & Lenny Rachitsky's clarity and learnings, and shaped by my journey at Paytm - from lawyer to SPM, it s my moonshot to build something that lasts. - Just got promoted to Senior Product Manager at Paytm. - Launched my PRD-themed website on the same day on Product Hunt This site is where my product journey gets public. It's not about what ...