Zhen Han

What's after Product Hunt for self-funded startups?

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Vokal got #2 product of the day and #7 of the week, and we now have 100+ signups from startups and teams. In general, people seem excited to try it out to up-level their teams to agent native.

Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: how do we scale this beyond manual founder-led work?

I’ve been writing posts, sharing content, and doing outreach manually, but it’s starting to feel like a constant drain and a bottleneck. I’ve been looking into tools like HubSpot, LinkedIn Sales Navigator, Apollo, and Clay.

For people who have used any of these: what has your experience been? Which ones are actually worth it at an early stage?

Or, as a software engineer, am I better off building my own lightweight marketing/sales pipeline first instead of adopting a full GTM tool stack?

I don’t have much domain expertise in sales or marketing yet, so I’d really appreciate practical advice from people who have gone through this.

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Theron Elric

At this stage, I'd optimize for learning, not tooling. Don't build your own GTM stack yet—talk to users, refine the messaging, and keep the process simple. The bottleneck is usually distribution, not software.

Zhen Han
@elrictheron I found users are pretty busy and it’s quite hard to do a few calls.
Ivan Stakhov

Clay has been the game-changer for early-stage outreach in my experience - you can enrich contacts from dozens of sources and write genuinely personalized messages at scale without a full sales team. I'd hold off on HubSpot until you have pipeline volume that actually justifies it, and just pair Clay with something lightweight like Notion or a simple CRM to start.

Zhen Han
@ivan_stakhov Thanks for sharing! Does clay provide clients’ contacts? For example, my ICP is startup founders, right now I basically manually outreach on LinkedIn, but it’s eating a lot of my time, so I am looking for a more scalable way.
Hossein Yazdi

Congrats on the launch results 🎉

Personally, I'd avoid building your own marketing/sales stack at this stage. As we often underestimate how much time that can consume.

I'd focus on talking to those first 100+ signups, understanding where they came from, why they signed up, and what makes them stick around. Usually the next growth channel becomes much clearer after that.

Zhen Han
@hosseinyazdi Thank you this is super helpful!