How do you organize your data while you're working on the product?

@iampascio Sure! I’m a big fan of Notion and use it every single day! How exactly do you organize your product data in Notion? Is there a special structure?

@david_gregorian Hi, David. That makes sense. I use Google Spreadsheets + Notion too. I'm just curious, how do you organize your data in Notion? Do you use a special template or is it chaotic?

@shashcoffe I usually have one main overview/summary/introduction page for each project which has a reference to all its connected subpages without a specific structure. No special template. I think it is more important to just be in the flow and document the process well.

@david_gregorian Absoutely agreed, David. I do that the similar way: One page for each project with subpages. What do you miss (if anything) about this way?

@shashcoffe Currently I don't miss anything. How about you?

@david_gregorian Thanks for answering, David. I feel like I don't have enough help organizing all my data in Notion, so I keep trying different templates, but I end up going back to my simple structure.

@theanshikasingh Hey, Anshika. Thank you for your reply. Can you tell me more about why you want to move on to another way? What’s wrong with Google Drive + Docs? What don’t you love about Google Drive?

@shashcoffe Hello Alexey, I'd say that it's mostly the fact that we're working on a few different products so, switching between them all could be a bit tedious. Plus, it's great for storing the larger finished files but not so much for writing smaller ideas, comments and mind mapping.

@theanshikasingh Now I get it. Thanks for answering my questions here, Anshika,. Much appreciated!

@dafnihnd Hi, Dafni. Nice to meet you! That looks like a good set of tools. Is there's anything that's missing from this set?

@shashcoffe nice to meet you too, Alexey! Good question. Not sure if it's a tool missing, but the sense-making process takes quite some time. And connecting the qualitative insights from calls with quantitative insights from product analytics (we use Mix Panel for this). Happy to share more on how we structure it if its helpful.

@dafnihnd Dafni, sure! I'm very interested in how you structure it. Share it if you can. Also, we can hop on a Zoom call and chat a little, if you can.

@shashcoffe Cool, DMed you on Twitter! Speak soon

@dafnihnd Awesome. Replied to you and booked a slot. See you soon.

@sofya_narbut Sofya, yeah, Notion is a cool tool for that tasks. Is there anything you miss?

@shashcoffe more blocks for teams, mostly... There are some downsides to notion I can deal with. Though I also use google sheets ,also helpful to store stuff, love it a lot.

@sofya_narbut Sofya, what do you mean about "more blocks for teams"? And do you use any professional product management software?

@shashcoffe I meant that it would be lovely to have less strict limitations for team spaces. As for professional pm software, I don't use it at the moment, but I used to use Jira, it was quite alright.

@sofya_narbut Sophia, thank you for your answers! It was so helpful and curious to talk with you here.

@nik_hazell Hey, Nik. Nice to see you under my comments again! Yes, I use Miro too. I really love that tool, but it's not handy for writing long-form notes for me. For that reason, I use Notion + Miro + Google Spreadsheets. How do you make your Miro-board doesn't turn into a sprawling mess with no direction?

@shashcoffe 👋 ha, it's becoming a bit of a habit! I've found that through diligent use of frames, I can generally keep things under control, and make it easy to organise things. For long form notes, I do still tend to use google docs, or slides - both of which have their plusses and minuses 😬

@nik_hazell Got it, got it, make sense. Thanks for answering me, Nik.

@hamedbaatour What a brilliant point! Thanks for that, Hamed! I really like the idea of InTab.io. Styling websites without CSS should solve my problem when I'm building sites on top of Notion.

@shashcoffe thanks Alexey 🙏

@hamedbaatour It's a pleasure for me. Hamed, can you tell me how you came up with that idea and how you manage your product to develop, improve and grow?

@henry_zhang3 Hello, Henry. I'm just wondering why you are using different solutions instead of one?

@pablo_palmitas Hey Pablo. Thanks for your powerful reply. Is there anything that you don't love about Google Docs?

@techronin Hello, Collin. I appreciate your replies under my discussions. I owe you one! I like the idea of tryintrepid.com. I'm curious to know what's your key differentiator from your competitors like Monday etc. I really love Google docs and Airtable too. And I'm curious what don't you love about that solutions? What missing?

@shashcoffe that's a super hard question to answer....do you have any ideas on how we could be more unique and different? who else do you see us competing with?

@shashcoffe sometimes I think products just do waaaaay too many things. I'm a fan of all in one solutions. I love them. Like, I hate switching in between 3-5 different tools just to make a solution for us internally, or for a consumer/business facing product, but sometimes when you buy a Swiss army knife you end up not using a bunch of functions that you still have to pay for. I think the company that gets it kinda right is Adobe and their creative suite. Like, you can get a bundle or you can get one-off apps that suit your needs-but when apps, or now super apps, bundle too much stuff it's like what do you do when you can do everything., I get paralysed. hahahah

@techronin Collin, I'm not using project management software, but I've tried a lot. Wrike, Asana, Jira, Monday, Basecamp. I think that is to be a niche player is a good idea. For example, you can focus on one narrow segment like the early-stage founding team and do the best project management tool for them. That can be the key differentiator too. How do you and your team manage your product to develop, improve and grow?

@techronin I totally understand you, Collin. I really like focused niche solutions, but sometimes I need a consolidated solution. Can you tell me how you found your problem and came up with your current product idea>

@gibin_michael Surely! What does your product do?

@shashcoffe ow cool so u can essentially connect my app with any lead generation forms or sign ups flows and u will have the birds eye of the customer - less questions more data - sort of like "clear bit forms" - but comes with more features and affordable - let us connect over email or twitter ? what u think ? i mean i have lot more to share with you :P happy holidays :)

@gibin_michael Michael, thanks for subscribing to my newsletter. Much appreciated! Yes, let's have a Zoom call and chat a little. You can DM me on Twitter with your available timeslots: @shashcoffe

@enzo_avigo Howdy, Enzo! I'm really glad to see you in the comments. Much appreciated. Thanks for sharing that. I grab your and Ferrucio's systematic approach to my product work. Thanks for the templates in that article! That's really helpful that you added your own examples! Enzo, I'm curious, have you already tried any Product Management Software like Productboard, and why don't you use it in June?

@shashcoffe the one thing that I learned PM-ing is that you don't need fancy tools to visualize your roadmap, and you need something very flexible (as flexible as your brain). A slide is way enough and this is what the best companies in the world do. Smaller one (or less experimented ones) tend to think a tool can solve an organizational problem, they rarely do. Instead you need to put some intentionality and work into collecting, digesting and organizing feedback. With dedicated tools you may save a few minutes here and there, but you're going to lose that time learnings the tools, so its usually not a good investment of your energy. hope it helps!

@enzo_avigo Totally it helps. Thank you again, Enzo! Can you tell me how do you do customer interviews?

@max15 Hi, Max. What does NAS mean?

@antonovna Hello, Alina! 😊 What do you miss about Google products in your work?

@v2s2c Hello, Vishnu. That's a very unusual way to organize data for product management! Why did you decide to use Telegram for that?

@tsvetanakos that's great!

@tsvetanakos Can you tell me more about what that custom software does for you?

@roy_outgrow Hi, Roy. Thanks for the reply! How exactly do you use these tools to work on a project? Can you tell me more about it?

@rajat_dangi1 Hey, Rajat! I really love Notion too. But why are you using Trello + Google Docs instead of Notion alone?

@shashcoffe I use free version of Trello and Google docs for my side projects because these are free tools and easy/great for collaboration.

@rajat_dangi1 Now I get it. That makes sense. What stage are you at right now with gosocial.io?

@shashcoffe We are currently at growth stage and generating revenue too. Also building the essentials parts of the platform to make it self-serve (such as creator studio, from where our users can create their community, host event, manage discussion channels, etc).

@rajat_dangi1 Rajat, what is the most challenging part of this stage?

@jordisquare Oh yeah! Jordi, that’s what I’m looking for! Thank you for sharing that. How many times do you use that product?

@shashcoffe Glad to hear! I use it a lot and it works wonders, specifically for storing all user interviews data to then review them with a great level of granularity.

@jordisquare I’m discovering it for myself. Thank you again. Jordi, I’m curious – Is there anything you miss about Dovetail?