SelfDecode

SelfDecode

Personalized health recommendations based on your genes.

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Aleksandra
Hi Alan, Looks interesting as I have my data from 23andme, but also a lot of questions here, some of the most obvious are: 1) Credibility. As health information is VERY sensitive, then, first of all, I will try to evaluate the credibility and accuracy of the recommendations you provide. From how your algorithms work to whether your team or organization has the required expertise and training to provide that kind of information, and more! 2) Why would I need a monthly subscription? At this point from the home page and "how it works" that was not very clear to me how it ACTUALLY works. The explanatory video is quite long to get the first quick understanding of the product (but could be good when I'm ready to learn all the details about it). Hope to find the answers and actually try it out! Good luck!
Nattha Wannissorn, PhD
@aleks_muse Hi Aleksandra - 1) we curate published information that is available on both public and paid databases, and then our team of experts (with graduate degrees in life sciences) manually edit and curate this information to ensure correctness and accessibility. In the near future, we are looking at using more advanced data analysis tools including machine learning and data mining. 2) Because features are being released on a regular basis. In addition, new studies are being published every day (which we don't have control of, but we do update our database regularly) so what you get today could be different from what you get tomorrow.
Aleksandra
@natchamaithai thank you for the answer!
Jack Smith
Joe Cohen is my primary trusted source of biohacking advice via his site: https://selfhacked.com/ SelfDecode is a super interesting new product, which can give you really interesting insights based on your DNA. It's like 23andme, but with actionable outputs.
Jai
@_jacksmith Yep, actionable outputs which are feedback optimized FTW
Kumar Thangudu
Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms are not a good source of information and hunting for clinically relevant SNPs is a hunt for the black swan. Meh.
Zach Sherman
@datarade what makes you say that?
Nattha Wannissorn, PhD
@datarade you are right, and we are aware of that. Just that the SNPs are the most accessible information right now. This is why we don't stick to a few SNPs with most studies on them, but we rather analyze all the data instead. We do tell people that SNPs isn't everything because there's a lot more to genetic expression and phenotypes, but having this data and access to the analysis is empowering. This is why we have pathway tools to look at all the genes together in context with the symptoms. Maybe someone could criticize 23andme for not releasing the real raw data that would make CNVs available... lol those could actually be a lot more informative than the SNPs. If you are familiar with this sort of data, it's possible to extract CNV data from the signals from this chip.
orliesaurus
@datarade came into this product just to CTRL+F and find your comment
type_null
Hey everyone! I'm one of the makers behind SelfDecode, happy to answer any of your questions :). If you are more curious about our founding story you can check out our interview on indiehackers where we share what we learned and how we struggled until now. Hope you like :))))))
Lyondhür Picciarelli
A lot of claims.. How can you guarantee that the outputs are correct (based on what, exactly) and what kind of guarantees can you offer that these recommendations are going to produce what they claim? Is it a continuous subscription in exchange for a bet on the recommendations with no commitment to end results? "Tied to longer descriptions" seems to me like a hook into a more prolonged betting on.. "recommendations". Can you offer a bit more transparency about your methods, approach and plan?
Nattha Wannissorn, PhD
@lyondhur we curate published data from public (e.g. PubMed) and paid databases, so to be precise, we broker data, put them together in accessible formats, and have a team of experts curating them. It wouldn't be legal to make guaranteed health claims (neither could any health practitioner or other piece of software). This is a tool to help people take a look at their genetics in context and provide a few actionable things to try. In the end, the only way to know if something will work for them is to try it (with some safety precautions in mind, of course). This is the tenets of biohacking and SelfHacked by definition.
Lyondhür Picciarelli
@natchamaithai thanks for the prompt response Nattha. I wished I were able to see more drilling into those questions; I do appreciate it though. As you yourself have voiced, SelfDecode would be a recommendation platform (as is, that's not very clear). It looks as though you're providing a genetic improvement service of advice, instead of what I believe your intention to be: decoding genetic data and specialised help translating and framing it, so that people can do whatever they want with it. You might want to look at they way the website presents the opportunity to the public. Near all of us in here are fairly capable of identifying what biohacking means, the generalities of your business operation and part in manipulating public/private datasets, as well as the academic weight terms like specialists and PhDs play on reinforcing to the general public that "SelfDecode may improve someone's health" (that's sort of the tone here). The general public needs way more simplified formalisation around this.
Lyondhür Picciarelli
@natchamaithai As mentioned by others, SelfDecode also encourages people to share their symptoms - not only their genetic descriptors from other sources - in some sort of an internal forum. Again, with a TOS of only three small paragraphs where phrasing such as "unintentionally leak/share your info with a third party" its ever a bit hard to understand your entire direction. There's a real privacy problem here that needs answering. I can't see any of it. No doubt the science is mustard. However, It seems to me you guys are going to the public with quite a few other knots to tie out before that. "Genetic Digital Health Coach" is sooooo ambiguous... I hope all this may be taken with an opened mind. Good luck with the project.
Nattha Wannissorn, PhD
@lyondhur It is a recommendation platform and there are many different ways to call it. Maybe we can improve on the communication part? Feel free to throw some ideas at me. I think this is helpful. Sometimes we nerds get caught in our own heads and the nerdier details so we forget the simple stuff like this.
Jeroen Corthout ☕
Cool! 23andMe user here and I love the idea of actually doing something with the data.
George Nikolic
Interesting idea! Looking forward to seeing how it gets developed. Good luck and keep it up! :)
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