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Estimapp 2.0

How much does it really cost to make an app?

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Stas Kulesh
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@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
Hey everyone, We've just re-launched a free cross-platform app that leads you through the deep and entangled forest of app development costs. How much does it cost to make an app? Web or mobile? I don't know. What should it do? Does it have maps? Do you need it urgently? I run a software development studio and making estimates is a part of my usual routine. Clients are always keen to hear a ballpark figure. And they want it _now_. With Estimapp you can give them that number in less than 30 sec. We have built on top of the Estimapp app http://producthunt.com/posts/est..., completely reworked the flow, added urgency, complexity and timeframe options and extra features such as 'Branding', 'Mailing lists'. The app produces a detailed shareable quote the features, hours, timeframe and even taxes. (See the example in attachment.) Estimapp can be useful for: - sales people, giving them super quick ballpark figures on the spot. - devs, making their quotes better. - clients to understand the range and the overall pricing structure. Feel free to try Estimapp and share what you think of it. Was it helpful? How can we make it better?
Marat Ryndin@maratryndin · Product Designer, Edgewise Networks
@stas_kulesh Hey Stas. When you say cross platform you mean iOS / Android, right? No web version?
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@maratryndin web version is available at http://Estimapp.com Ta
Nicholas Sheriff@nicholassheriff · Founder, Quest
@stas_kulesh I just tried the app haha I see what you did there Stas, it's surprisingly pretty well done from an experience perspective, I don't agree with some of your estimations ( been a product designer for 10 years I've seen too many people, including clients blow too much money to #1 answer very very basic questions). Also run my own app development studio, I'd love to see a similar app from you guys aimed at MVP stage development and not version 1 development.
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@nicholassheriff I could add an extra step after the initial selection: MVP, V1, Something unique and beautiful — will that work for you?
Angus@angus_halen · Founder, Lyrical.me
@stas_kulesh all I can see there is a link to the mobile apps.
Nicholas Sheriff@nicholassheriff · Founder, Quest
@stas_kulesh That would be a good move but I was also focusing on explaining what that means just from my own experience clients don't understand what an MVP means, figuratively and literally I've had to spell out what the abbreviation means to clients who blew $150,000, $300,000 on a version 1 and then come to my firm with hardly any money and need help/guidance to build another version of their app. Normally I focus not on version 2 but going back to the MVP stages. If they can't answer basic questions about their business. Without explaining this adding "friction" to the current flow would actually hurt people who don't understand what you and I do. They will say nooo I don't need an MVP or any of that I need V1 and they actually might not to depends on where they are, what they are doing/building etc. Do they have outside funding and so on. I've had a handful of clients that are everyday people who want to get into the app biz and blow $50,000-$80,000 unintentionally and end up having nothing to show for it and they feel blindsided, apps like this can shed light on that so it can be two fold, as I know it's a trojan horse ( brilliant one ) to funnel referrals to your studio, but it can still serve to be an important thing for those who need it to learn more.
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@angus_halen are you opening it on desktop?
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@nicholassheriff I totally agree that the terms have to be clear before putting any numbers next to them. However it makes the whole thing more complicated. Moreover there is a notion that the MVP concept is overused and RAT is going to replace it: https://hackernoon.com/the-mvp-i... Your reasoning is valid, and I agree with it, but in order to make the flow as simple as possible, I had to find some balance. Overall, I can see the educational element added in Estimapp 3. I just need more time to think how to incorporate it smoothly.
Nicholas Sheriff@nicholassheriff · Founder, Quest
@stas_kulesh Ha that's the actual story of design as a designer fostering experience, taking on realities and presenting things in a way that influence people that's the hardest thing. I can think of a few ways where you can address this problem without it being confusing or overwhelming. Also I don't believe in MVP or in RAT ( I don't get caught up in the kool aid that is all of these useless terms normally ) I only mentioned that because they are in the market and people imprint on them it could be called orange mode and that is to talk to a person who is about to waste tens of thousands of dollars that they don't even know the basic answer to questions, and shouldn't talk about Series A funding with an idea when they have no distribution strategy and have no idea if anyone even wants their product. I'd stress designing based on math and science not on trends and fads that;s how I've always designed ( my background is in applied mathematics and psychology ) otherwise you would have to look at what is around you most is going to be garbage and then you'll end up copying you can solve issues that no one has solved quite like you have designed on core principles that won't actually change. Like you can put things in front of people that cognitively ( you can have math to prove this ) that lowers the energy output for humans. That's how all human-computer interaction should be designed. I'm sure you guys will be just fine regardless of what you do, I was rooting a bit more for the user in this case and less about how it benefits the companies conversion....so that's where my excitement and aggression came from like omg this can help a lot of people I meet and see that are wasting so much money daily. Also I did mention a completely separate app which I just fee would help given these are two completely different people/stages we're talking about, you don't have to do it all in one experience ( unless the experience is intelligently driven around understanding intent otherwise that's energy dispelled)
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@nicholassheriff "omg this can help a lot of people I meet and see that are wasting so much money daily. " 😄 I'll get back to you on Monday, it's mid Saturday in NZ, family time.Have a good weekend!
tobinharris@tobinharris · CTO, Pocketworks Mobile Ltd
@stas_kulesh @nicholassheriff Agree the term MVP doesn't resonate with customers, and it fails to encompass all the activities that go around the initial learning activities with a minimal product. We've started calling MVP's under a different name - a "Live Trial", explaining that we only want to live trial the risky assumptions to reduce upfront costs. Reason we call it a Live Trial is that it implies you have to arrange a date, figure out who's going to trial the app, and work out what data to collect to work out where the adoption/rejection is.
Nicholas Sheriff@nicholassheriff · Founder, Quest
@tobinharris @stas_kulesh Live Trial seems a bit confusing to everyday people who might jump into tech, I've actually found the word "prototype" when unpackaged works well with clients...not talking about people in tech trying to raise a series a, just everday people who actually are creating mockups and clickable prototypes with invision and marvel I've even met at the apple store taking apple classes about how to use their mac lol yeah they want to make apps too. Met a pretty cool guy a while back working on something interesting and they would get going back to the prototyping phase to iterate down and then get a very simplistic version out there to validate things. You'd be surprised the words everyday people outside of the valley don't actually know the meaning of and the ones that you'd think they don't they in some ways do.
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@nicholassheriff @tobinharris "Live Trial seems a bit confusing to everyday people who might jump into tech, I've actually found the word "prototype" Both of the terms 'Live Trial' and 'Prototype' sound very much like RAT: 'Riskiest Assumption and Test'. I tend to offer clients (1) the proof-of-concept, (2) MVP, (3) V1 kind of flow. (1) Is probably similar to your 'prototype' and RAT and the old, original notion of MVP. This is mostly for beta-testers, not for the public. (2) is something transitional, nice and robust, and ProductHunt-ready :) Based on data from (1). (3) Is an evolutional product that grows naturally out of (2).
Tudor Baidoc@baidoct · A Web & UI Designer
Is your app a Hybrid App? I'm asking because I also see Web Version of the App available
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@baidoct Estimapp is Ionic-based, yes.
Charlie Coppinger@thecoppinger · Marketing & Sales Manager, Point Zero
Awesome work mate, bookmarking this!
Michael Morrison@morrjobs · Product Manager, ITA Group
A couple new feature requests 1. Transition costs - any costs to transition the project from 3rd party to an in-house development team. 2. Estimated cost of ongoing maintenance/bug fixes for the app. 3. Estimated cost for new enhancements to the app. 4. Total cost of ownership over 3-5 years.
David Kravitz
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@david_kravitz
@morrjobs I like that Michael, though a transition to an in-house development team is very dependent on quality of the code, documentation, etc but I think we can introduce something like a code quality grading and options like documentation, code last updated, etc. something to think about in the next couple of month, thanks for your feedback.
Marius Kildedal@mariuskildedal
Any plans to add the feature to change currency?
Stas Kulesh
Maker
@stas_kulesh · Creative Director, Sliday
@mariuskildedal could be a nice addition to the preferences, spot on! Will have a look on Monday!