Songbird

Shazam for bird songs

#2 Product of the DayAugust 07, 2017

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Eilert Janßen@jansseneilert
How about 3 free shots before paying 10,99?
Nicholas Sheriff
Maker
@nicholassheriff · Founder, Sheriff Ventures
@jansseneilert We hear you Eilert but you are missing a very serious and sad point which I keep seeing in this community unwillingness to support indie founders, especially minority founders who are having a hard time raising vc funding. I am funding all of this for the past 3 years out of pocket. We will eventually need millions for songbird to actually scale this for the entire globe. Bird watchers which are around over 70 million in just the us spend thousands a year they add over $50 billion to our economy they don't complain about the pricing here so you might not be the target audience for them this is a discount. Is this our final revenue model? Of course not we are still testing and scaling, eventually at scale we want to go free with in app purchases. But that won't happen until we have funding to actually turn this into a business, either from vcs or from revenue. Making an app free doesn't support myself or my team guys. I also do not believe in traditional advertising to spam my users inside the apps so we 100% upfront charge premiums for our shit and run it like a real business that sells value.
Eilert Janßen@jansseneilert
@nicholassheriff Hey Nicholas, just for the sakes of it – I've payed 10,99. Your application wasn't able to identify a sparrow out of 4 meters distance in my backyard. I've tried several times. Always the message that I should try again. If you want to scale this globally it should work, I guess.
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@nicholassheriff I don't think that he's saying he doesn't want to support a dev. I think that he's saying he wants to test if it actually works or not
Nicholas Sheriff
Maker
@nicholassheriff · Founder, Sheriff Ventures
@jansseneilert Eilert was it in the middle of a song, any other birds present? How long was the recording...can you email me info@sheriffv.com Checkmark of what our system currently struggles with ( added this to the app description ) and we will present thing to users upon launching for the onboarding soon. If you can't identify a bird, you might have one or many of these issues that need to be addressed: If you are too far from the bird it will not work. If you use a recording of a bird with all sorts of quality issues from youtube it will not work. If there are multiple birds singing it currently will probably not work but we are working on this. If you are a little too late to a song it will probably not work, or you might have to keep trying to capture other parts of it's song again. If the background is far too noisy it will probably not work. We currently also only identify the top 100 common birds our goal is to make the recognition and database more comprehensive, right now and extend it to 1,000 bird species with the hope of doing 10,000 within the next 6 months. House sparrows are in there but we might not be able to ID all of the sparrow songs. Marking it down to do additional testing.
Nicholas Sheriff
Maker
@nicholassheriff · Founder, Sheriff Ventures
@jansseneilert Also we tested it ourselves and Apple has as well in order for it to be approved the issue is right now a lot of things can affect "great quality recording" and if that is't great our system will tell you to keep trying we can make this much better but that simply will take time Eilert. Right now with no funding and no resources we aren't looking to scale this to every single bird we are looking to see where our initially users are and then focus on that demo and those particular birds to test and refine our technology. With the end goal being the identification of 10-20,000 bird species which has never been done before ever. Given that most people who "bird watch" don't venture off over a mile from their home we are focusing on the most common birds, but are training the system daily. We are looking to integrate a notification system so you'll get an update on what new species it can ID and so on and if something has been improved, we should be rolling that out in a few weeks.
Eilert Janßen@jansseneilert
@nicholassheriff @_jacksmith I did some research on this problem: ' The Song Sparrow sings a loud, clanking song of 2–6 phrases that typically starts with abrupt, well-spaced notes and finishes with a buzz or trill. In between, the singer may add other trills with different tempo and quality. The song usually lasts 2-4 seconds. Patterns of songs vary over the species’ enormous range, so the Song Sparrows you hear when traveling may not sound quite like those from your hometown. ' https://www.allaboutbirds.org/gu... Taking this idea into account you'd probably need a lot more than 1000 samples to compare to.. So what birds are you able to identify? Based on which region?
Alex White@alexwhitedev · Freelance web dev, entrepreneur.
@jansseneilert @nicholassheriff Nobody is asking you to make the app free. You've released an interesting idea, but you don't have any reviews, you don't have a video showing it works, there is no trial to prove it works, and there's not even a website giving information on the app. Everything about this screams scam at the moment. $10 is a premium for an app, very few will pay that without a single piece of evidence that the app does anything at all.
Alan Houser@pixelmelter · Web Designer at Squareflair
@nicholassheriff @jansseneilert try it with youtube clips. ;)
Bo Wang@bluemonk482 · Researcher, AI, NLP
@jansseneilert @nicholassheriff Ok, have you evaluated your model on any of the public available data sets? A quick search on Google gives me: http://machine-listening.eecs.qm... https://www.kaggle.com/c/mlsp-20... http://news.cornell.edu/stories/... and many other available resources and relevant papers.. If you don't want to give out free shots, then it would be useful to show you have state-of-the-art or even good-enough-to-be-effective performance on any of the public data sets or challenges, to attract customers. I guess what I am trying to say is, we know this ain't an easy task, and that's why for any indie or non-indie founder, you especially don't want to give people the impression that you are charging 10 bucks for a half-baked product (that researchers have actually been working on).
Tony DeFrancoHiring@tony_defranco · FotoFreeze
@nicholassheriff @jansseneilert That was my question. How close do you actually have to be since birds are generally not within range of your phone.
Bo Wang@bluemonk482 · Researcher, AI, NLP
@jansseneilert @nicholassheriff Ok man, look, I would say, be very careful you don't want to sound like a speaker of the indie minority founders association, but at the same time don't have a good product (you might do, but I would never know without given free trial). There are many indie minority founders who can offer good products, because they know the tech behind their product inside out.
Justin Mitchell@itsthisjustin · Designing Products at Sofriendly.com
@jansseneilert @nicholassheriff @bluemonk482 Yes yes yes. This. This is what I've been trying to say forever now. Don't let your race or minority be a reason to not take a good hard look at your product. There's no excuse for not delivering a fantastic product. Hustle, work hard, and people will respond in kind. Of all the communities on the internet, people love good products. Race does not divide what makes a good product or not, only your commitment to quality and ability to take and act on criticism.
Justin Mitchell@itsthisjustin · Designing Products at Sofriendly.com
@nicholassheriff this discussion among PH users is going about as well as the one we had one Twitter. I think the lesson to learn here is to be open to criticism. The response to the price, the lack of a video or other proof that it works are all valid feedback. There's also the question of it just flat out being a scam. There needs to be a level of humility that comes with product development. It's all about asking your users what they want. Build the right features for the right people at the right price.
Nemoy Rau@nraush
This is definitely SO cool! wish there was a lite version for me to try it out 2-3 times to see how good it can hear birds maybe 100 yards away to my iPhone before I buy it for $10
Brendan Beirne@brendanbeirne · Product / strategy, Joojoo
I love this idea... does it work?
Will Brennan@wfb · Designer
@brendanbeirne Based on the comments, it seems the answer to this is "kind of"
Brendan Beirne@brendanbeirne · Product / strategy, Joojoo
@wfb can't wait to try it out. I'm muy intrigued 🦉🦆🦅🐔
Julie Delanoy@syswarren · Design at Product Hunt
My mom will love this.