Ideator

Grow your ideas, build a team and launch your business

#4 Product of the DayDecember 07, 2015

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Ben Tossell@bentossell · Partner https://theupstarters.co/
So a couple of things that popped into my mind while watching the video... Idea is kept private... don't you think it would be more beneficial to have all the ideas brought to Ideator freely discussed within the network? Others may have tackled problems you are facing and have an easy way to solve them. Much like a startup studio... I think there is more benefit by sharing your idea with those around you (especially if in the Ideator umbrella). There are a lot of benefits to this. I think keeping an idea private is not the best path. Secondly, what qualifies the Ideator team to be the ones in the best position to help anyone with their business? What is the track record, what have people been working on previously and what are their backgrounds? Also, closely related to my previous question... how can people trust that the lawyers/designers/etc Ideator help set you up with are the best people for your idea? Lastly... What is it going to cost?
charlie smith
Maker
@cpsmith04 · Co-founder
@bentossell Great questions. I completely agree. We want all Ideas to be public. Then the people who leverage the community will benefit the most (just look at Product Hunt). Unfortunately, most people are really hesitant to share their ideas. It’s a big part of the reason they never start their business in the first place. It’s like a 2 step process. First we get them comfortable sharing their idea within a trusted circle. Eventually they may see the benefit of the broader community and open it up. It’s the choice they ultimately get to make. We don’t think we can help every Ideator with every issue they face. That is where the community is so important. We are currently helping some of the ideators through more traditional consulting. This way, we can understand the common challenges they face and help automate the steps to overcome them so others can benefit down the road. I started my career as an Entrepreneur and didn’t really know it. I simply started a business out of college and was off to the races. I sold that and logged a few years at Salesforce. Then the idea for Ideator was brought to me and I couldn’t resist the urge to build it. I see the first part of my career as the perfect persona for our product. The rest of the Ideator team brings with them decades of experience in business in various industries, roles, and locations. When we don’t have the expertise to help an ideator, we bring in the help from one of the advisors in the community. That’s the whole premise. We’re democratizing the process of launching a business by introducing everyone to the tools and resources they need. We have worked with many of the lawyers, designers, etc. that we recommend. That’s hugely important to us. If we haven’t worked with them before, we tend to seek out someone who has to get a referral. Ideators can further vet professionals that might want access to their idea. Then if they decide to proceed the Ideator sends the invite - that triggers an automatically generated NDA for the interested party. Ideator is free. We will monazite though various channels when the community is big enough.
Hans van Gent@jcvangent
I like these things, reminds me a bit of http://home.elevatr.com/, but indeed as @bentossell suggest I think the biggest advance could be to have it public by default. This way you're accountable for the stuff which you put in there, and with the peer pressure which comes along with it, makes it better to actually continue the needed steps. Keep on the good work though!
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Partner https://theupstarters.co/
@cpsmith04 so I think it would be beneficial to invest it trying to show people how opening up their ideas in the first place can be beneficial... agreed that some people wont but ultimately I think that its probably detrimental in the long run, so if they are not paying for services but using your time - maybe you should consider a stricter process.. On that note, how are you going to divide up your time between each team that joins? If 100 teams joined from Product Hunt today, how would you deal with that? Are there profile links to the Ideator team so people can check them out? Otherwise it is just going off recommendations of others - which unfortunately doesn't always work out! If Ideator is free then who pays for the lawyers/desingers/etc hourly costs?
charlie smith
Maker
@cpsmith04 · Co-founder
@jcvangent @bentossell Thanks Hans. I love this feedback. Honestly this is the first request I've heard to keep it totally open (we have had lot's of requests for private communities though). I would love to hear others thoughts. Setting to public by default is a bold move but it makes complete sense. Accountability really helps when building the community. And there will always be details that are not public.
charlie smith
Maker
@cpsmith04 · Co-founder
@bentossell We are not personally helping every person who joins the platform. Although right now, to build a solid foundation for our community, we are helping as many as we can. And users are getting value from the platform today without help from us. Our next step is to provide ideators with tools (specific goals and tasks) to solve a litany of early business challenges. If 100 hunters take us up on our offer, build out a complete idea, and assign a specific goal for us, we will help them. We will take our best crack a providing a really good set of tasks to complete that goal. This process helps create the content we need to build our tools needed to help all our users. Users can access profiles for the Ideator team and all the other users on the platform. If people on the platform connect and do business, they can work out the payment details separately. Right now, we don't want to broker that transaction.
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Partner https://theupstarters.co/
@cpsmith04 ahh ok gotcha... so the user will have to pay for the services you recommend directly anyway... So you trust the community to help others with ideas? Just a bit confused here... I thought it was the Ideator team (like a set of advisors) help people who come to them with ideas, get them to fruition.
charlie smith
Maker
@cpsmith04 · Co-founder
@bentossell You can also see our whole problem, solution and elevator pitch on the ideator public idea ;) https://my.ideator.com/ideas/9/p...
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Partner https://theupstarters.co/
@cpsmith04 I don't have an account... I was asking you to explain here... discussions from PH make me decide whether I'd sign up for something ;)
Jessica Buerger
Maker
@jessicabuerger · Community Manager, Ideator
@jcvangent @bentossell Thanks Hans, we will! One thing to note is that the vast majority of ideators in our community have never started a business before. So they are bit reserved. All ideas start out in private / stealth mode and once they've worked through the problem/solution & elevator pitch on their own, they can become more accountable by inviting others to their idea. I offer myself as an advisor and if they invite me to their idea, I'll provide feedback. I'm the community manager and love diving into the details (plus I have lots of startup & business experience so I can add value). That helps to legitimize the newbies' ideas, even whilst the idea is private-facing.
Jessica Buerger
Maker
@jessicabuerger · Community Manager, Ideator
@bentossell Hey Ben - to answer your question, we do both. 1) We started out launching in San Diego and got to know our first users super well. The community that we built early on is full of top notch professionals, and ideators who are launching their ideas on the side, and so no one's there to waste time. We trust our community and have a no jerks policy ;) which we uphold with community managers like me and also our strong early users 2) We do provide advisory services as well. It's called the Ideator Advisory Board (other names have been tossed around at the beginning, if you've got a snappier one we're all ears) and we invite ideators to apply. If accepted into the program we do become their set of advisors (or supplement a pre-existing one) and help people get their ideas to fruition.
Luke Fitzpatrick@iamwormify · Founder | Writer | Developer
@bentossell Hey Ben, this is similar https://babele.co/ (group discussion ideas). I think building it privately and both publicly have their own advantages. However, most ppl want to make it private even though it's probably not in their best interest to do this. Feedback is really important.
Hans van Gent@jcvangent
@jessicabuerger @bentossell isn't it possible with the correct communication to try to convince them that openness from the start is better? Maybe make it open per default, and have the option somewhere in their settings to make it private. As soon as they put it to private they get a big warning like "Are you sure? You're missing out on a lot of valuable feedback straight from the community" or something like that..
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Partner https://theupstarters.co/
@jcvangent one of the first pieces of advice the Ideator team could give is that it's stupid to keep your ideas private... it's like startup 101 People come to you because they want help and advice...
Hans van Gent@jcvangent
@bentossell yeah indeed, but even then, making it default public and having you go to the settings to make it private..makes you consciously aware as well that your making the decision to miss out on a lot of feedback too..
Jessica Buerger
Maker
@jessicabuerger · Community Manager, Ideator
@jcvangent @bentossell this is really fun for me to read because I'm of the same notion. Have you guys ever read about Derek Sivers' multiplier table? It's all about how ideas are worth nothing unless executed. The best idea can only be worth $20 but with the right execution, that's where it gets exciting. We wrote a blog about it after connecting with Derek. (Cool guy). https://www.ideator.com/blog/wha... Anywho, having personally greeted nearly every ideator who come through our doors I have to say - majority are indeed scared about putting their idea out publicly, and they'll always need a way to work in stealth mode, especially since Ideator is industry and geography agnostic (don't you guys usually jot down your ideas in a notebook before telling even your best friend at a bar? <-- well we're sorta that notebook). We do urge them to open it up publicly but only once they've really honed it, and if need be, taken the steps they need to feel safe, like patenting their invention, for example. We let them move at their own speed, but yes we do suggest they get the necessary feedback early on, in various ways, to validate their idea(s).
Jessica Buerger
Maker
@jessicabuerger · Community Manager, Ideator
With all these hunters around, I'm astonished! We’ve hidden 'Glasshole Kitty' on our landing page and no one here has yet found it. https://www.producthunt.com/tech...
Violeta Nedkova
Hunter
@violetanedkova · Creative Rebel Coach
We all need some help with launching our ideas. Am I right?!
Benyamin Clayman@yozapli · FileQE
@violetanedkova Who made your explainer video? Really nice!
Jessica Buerger
Maker
@jessicabuerger · Community Manager, Ideator
@yozapli @violetanedkova Thanks Benyamin! We're pretty proud of our promo video too. Head on over to: http://videosparks.net/ideator-3! They're great to work with, super fun & talented team.
charlie smith
Maker
@cpsmith04 · Co-founder
@violetanedkova Thanks again for hunting us! Were you able to find glasshole kitty hiding on our landing page?
charlie smith
Maker
@cpsmith04 · Co-founder
Thanks for hunting us Violeta! 8 months ago we launched Ideator. Since then we have been working to help a small community of awesome entrepreneurs find success in business. We started to solve one common problem. When starting a business, figuring out the first steps is really hard. Especially with the first business you launch. Then each additional step to move the business forward is another learning process. And most businesses have the toughest time with the same challenges that others face. We are going to fix that.
Spencer Bratman@spencerbratman · Co-Founder
Cool concept. Just made an account. It would be nice if the files uploaded could be synched with Google Docs for collaboration.
Jessica Buerger
Maker
@jessicabuerger · Community Manager, Ideator
@spencerbratman completely agree. This is on our roadmap for 2016 and I couldn't be more excited, seriously.