HacBook Elite

Fully functional Macintosh for 1/3 the price.

#1 Product of the DayAugust 29, 2016

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Imran Hussain@imran_hussain1
Apple's cease and desist letter coming in 3.. 2.. 1..
Cristi`quad`Glodeanu@quad_bx · Roadwarrior at Crossover.
@imran_hussain1 ahaha, I was thinking the same :))
Chad Fullerton@chad_fullerton · Founder, FullertonMedia
@imran_hussain1 Looks like it doesn't come with OS X installed, it's just a hardware 'kit' which might help get around the issue of not being licensed for OS X?
Jason Burns@thisisjason
@imran_hussain1 haha... Think I saw the HP logo in there too. Wonder if they'll make a fuss!
Imran Hussain@imran_hussain1
@chad_fullerton going by history, this doesn't make a difference to Apple. They have shut down such companies in past who sell hardware under the disguise of cheaper Macs which can run OS X.
Chad Fullerton@chad_fullerton · Founder, FullertonMedia
@imran_hussain1 True. Using the "Mac" trademark anywhere could still get them in trouble for sure.
Eddie Ortega@eddieor · Brand and Digital Marketing Consultant
@quad_bx @imran_hussain1 was think exactly the same. Apple acts pretty fast on any infringement no matter how minor
Imran Hussain@imran_hussain1
@thisisjason they will. No company wants to be associated with business practices that they have not officially approved of or can put them in trouble with another company. Here, I would say official permission is likely not obtained. If it was, for the purpose of hackintosh, Apple wouldn't be happy with HP.
Avi Parshan@avi_parshan · Android Developer, YouTuber
@imran_hussain1 I was just going to say that
@imran_hussain1 Yeah – there's no way it's legal to say "Looks like a Mac. Feels like a Mac" this is going to be a huge violation... I like the idea but the branding is definitely in violation and honestly it doesn't look like a Mac. The body is very unattractive. I like the ethos and point of this product but it doesn't come in an aesthetically pleasing body, and definitely not anything resembling a Mac. But honestly, I'd embrace that. Build a kit that embraces hackintosh's but don't try to look like a Mac. Make it even more hacker-like.
Will Wright@williamwright · CTO & Co-founder @Kindaba
@imran_hussain1 @_jacksmith HackBook just seems like another @jack7kim scam to me… Isn't it just a wiped out HP ELITEBOOK 8460p? Even the pictures on their website are the same. Oh, their "community" tell you how to install OSX (illegally)? Well, so does YouTube. Can anyone explain the value in this?
Jack Kim
Maker
@jack7kim · Founder @ Ember Labs
Thanks for the hunt @_jacksmith. I started HacBook Elite as a half-serious joke last year while in college studying Product Design. I needed to run OS X to develop iOS apps on Xcode and, being the struggling college kid that I was, didn't have $$$ laying around to drop on a new (or used) MacBook. So I got into the world of hackintoshes and realized there's no pre-built, ready-to-run product that non-technical folks (or Hackintosh enthusiasts) can just buy and start using. So I threw up the website and decided to try selling units. To clarify, HacBook Elite is a ready-to-run *kit* that doesn't come with OS X installed. It ships with everything besides that (i.e. Laptop, compatible WiFi chip, charger, user-friendly guide to getting started, customer support, etc). I'll update the website to make this clearer. Thanks!
Yonatan Wolowelsky@grmmph · Professional double clicker
@jack7kim @_jacksmith Great Approach!
Abe Storey@abe_storey · Entrepreneur & Growth Marketer
@jack7kim @_jacksmith This is badass. Regardless of what anyone says about Apple getting into a fit, the way you have set this up is freaking bad ass.
Jason Shellen@shellen · Head of Product, Slack Platform
@jack7kim Minor misspelling of 'resistent' should be 'resistant'.
Jack Kim
Maker
@jack7kim · Founder @ Ember Labs
@shellen Thanks, will fix
(ᵔᴥᵔ)✌@sawyerfeels · IP Attorney, Conde Nast & Advance Pub.
@jack7kim @_jacksmith Very cool. I avoid Hackintosh because I figure it'll be too much trouble ironing out kinks throughout the generations. Have you planned for OS updates? Will you help people when Apple inevitably foils your hack with its latest OS?
Evan Petrack@petrev01 · People Researcher; Loves GIS & Data
Jack Kim
Maker
@jack7kim · Founder @ Ember Labs
@sawyerfeels @_jacksmith Yes, a huge part of HacBook is the customer support and open community of owners that can help you with anything that may come up!
kurt braget@kurtybot · developer, entrepreneur
@jack7kim @_jacksmith it seems like you could just get rid of apple logos and still do business without having to hire lawyers to fight against apple ;)
Avi Parshan@avi_parshan · Android Developer, YouTuber
@jack7kim @_jacksmith So how does one install OS X?
Brian Roach@anodigital · DJ / Producer @itsBREX
@kurtybot nix the HP logos while your at it.
Kevin Jung@kjung · Web Developer
@jack7kim Given that you don't get shut down by Apple, what would the logistics involved in supporting future OS releases and doing updates? Given the nature of a Hackintosh, the update will most likely break a lot of things.
Garrett@misder_james · Coordinator, Content and Licensing
@jack7kim @_jacksmith signed up! How long is it taking for the e-mails to get sent out these days?
Chuck Burt@chucksense · Vice President of Product, SellerCrowd
@jack7kim "...and realized there's no pre-built, ready-to-run product that non-technical folks (or Hackintosh enthusiasts) can just buy and start using." There have been before and there will be again—but they never lost long. The Apple legal machine is efficient.
Jack Kim
Maker
@jack7kim · Founder @ Ember Labs
@misder_james @_jacksmith our emailing queue broke for about an hour yesterday, so that might have affected you. Just send an email to hello@hacbook.com and we'll addd you to the list!
(ᵔᴥᵔ)✌@sawyerfeels · IP Attorney, Conde Nast & Advance Pub.
@jack7kim @_jacksmith thanks for the response. I notice your site is down.. Is that a server issue, or a legal one?
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@sawyerfeels the site is live for me...
(ᵔᴥᵔ)✌@sawyerfeels · IP Attorney, Conde Nast & Advance Pub.
@_jacksmith o weird, its back for me too! Thanks for the heads up.
Andrew Pelletier@andmpel · Project Coordinator Assistant
All the negativity is really a shame. This is amazing.
Allan Zhang@daspianist · Building mobile technologies.
@andmpel Seriously. It's like everyone is a legal expert on this thread.
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@andmpel Andrew - yes, it's a real shame to see so much negativity; not something often associated with product hunt. @daspianist : yep. lots of people may well be right about the legal side of things; the bigger shame is people thinking it's acceptable to call a project 'awful' or looking like 'shit'.
Imran Hussain@imran_hussain1
@daspianist @andmpel it's not really negativity when you have multiple precedents set by Apple in the past on how they deal with businesses trying to cash in on unofficial Macs.
Fraser Smith@frassmith · Software Developer, Shanghai, China
How long before Apple's lawyers are all over this and it's all over?
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@frassmith hackintosh builds have been around for many many years
Fraser Smith@frassmith · Software Developer, Shanghai, China
@_jacksmith Indeed, but hackintoshes are rarely marketed and sold as a finished product. They're usually, very much a grass-roots do-it-yourself thing.
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@frassmith fair point
Dhruba Adhikari@acpmasquerade · Product Director, Picovico
@frassmith @_jacksmith What could be the claims Apple lawyers would rant about ?
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@acpmasquerade they could say that the sales tagline shouldn't include "a fully-functional Mac", as that's a trademark. They could say that the choice of font-face makes it look like an Apple product. etc.
Cesare D. Forelli@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@acpmasquerade mainly two things: OS X licenses requires the installation on Apple hardware (and I believe the workaround from the creator of this product is not to include OS X, albeit the intent is clearly advertised on the website), and most important, the product is advertised as a "fully functional Mac", but Mac is a trademark; no workaround on this, but to change heavily the copy on their website.
Fraser Smith@frassmith · Software Developer, Shanghai, China
@acpmasquerade @_jacksmith Well, I would say that claiming to run OS X would be pretty high on the list given that OS X licence agreement likely forbids running the OS on any non Apple platform. (that said, I haven't read the OS C Ts&Cs, have you?) Also, just a personal feeling, I'd think Apple would be seriously pissed off at having its OS associated with such an ugly, dated brick of a machine. My MBP may be 4 years old, but it looks 10 years newer than that brick.
Dhruba Adhikari@acpmasquerade · Product Director, Picovico
@cdf1982 second one is very true, and I was sure about that. I couldn't see the first condition mentioned anywhere. Do you have a link where it says MacOS is required to be installed on Apple hardwares only ?
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@frassmith The license agreement does forbid it. But there is debate if such a term is legally enforceable. Apple's terms of service also state that jailbreaking iOS isn't allowed - but the courts decided that users should legally be allowed to jailbreak something they've paid for.
Cesare D. Forelli@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@acpmasquerade Here's the SLA for OS X 10.11 http://images.apple.com/legal/sl... : "...you are granted a limited, non- exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple- branded computer at any one time."
Cesare D. Forelli@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@frassmith @acpmasquerade completely agree; I've checked the SLA (see my other answer here) and it forbids it. I'm also sure the case of that HP laptop would piss Apple more than the actual hackintosh itself ;)
Cesare D. Forelli@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@acpmasquerade also, the 3rd line: "For use on Apple-branded Systems"
Dhruba Adhikari@acpmasquerade · Product Director, Picovico
@_jacksmith @frassmith Let's say they forbid by their terms. But its easier to claim that the price was in favor of allowing to be installed on their branded hardwares only. If they had to allow to install on other hardwares, the prices could have been even higher. :meh
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@acpmasquerade "I've checked the SLA and it forbids it" - per my multiple comments on this: you can shove whatever shit you want in the SLA, it doesn't mean that it's legally enforceable. Apple's SLA also says you can't jailbreak your iPhone, but the courts decided that you can.
Cesare D. Forelli@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@_jacksmith @acpmasquerade well, in this case it's not "whatever shit" in the SLA, it's pretty fundamental since the operating system is the main thing that distinguish a Mac from another PC, so Apple has every right to demand that it's intellectual property, for which you don't pay for and ONLY license according to their terms, is not used on competitor's hardware. Let's just bookmark http://hacbook.com and check if it's still online in a couple of weeks...
Jack Smith
Hunter
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@cdf1982 iOS and the Apple App Store is also what differentiates an iPhone from an Android. That doesn't enable Apple to stop you jailbreaking your phone and using the Cydia store though. I agree. You're right that it's highly likely this product wont be online in a few weeks, I don't dispute that. I'm just confused why you're so upset about its existence and feel the need to call someone's project that they've worked on 'awful'. It's trending at #1 on product hunt with over 100 upvotes in the few hours that it's been live, so clearly there's an audience that find it to be an interesting product.
Cesare D. Forelli@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@_jacksmith Nobody stops you from installing Windows or Linux on Mac hardware either, because you OWN that hardware... but here we're talking about the opposite. I repeat myself (and then I'll move on from this, honestly we're not going anywhere and usually I don't get involved in pointless online discussions), but it's needed: OS X license and jailbreaking have nothing in common, the legality of the second doesn't legitimize the exploiting of Apple's operating system on third party hardware; while Apple seems to tolerate the "indie" approach to hackintoshes, sure this won't pass, and I feel sorry for the creator, because a letter from Apple Legal will be much worse than my "awful as expected" (which referred to the ugliness of seeing OS X running on such a bad-looking laptop) comment.
Jp Valery@jpvalery · Community @ RobotShop / Ex-Gameloft
@cdf1982 If you feel that the product doesn't belong here, just flag it :) It seems that you and Jack will never agree :)
Shai Alon@shai_alon · Maker of Bots, apps and more...
@acpmasquerade @frassmith @_jacksmith Trademark infringement Software piracy to name a couple.
Sercan Demircan@sercanov · Mobile App Developer / Project Manager
Seems very suspicious by the way, no contact, no company info, no guarantee.
Jack Kim
Maker
@jack7kim · Founder @ Ember Labs
@sercanov Contact and FAQ are on the bottom of the website. I'll update it to make it more clear. Feel free to tweet me with questions as well