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Elysium Health is claiming to be more scientific than other supplements companies, but they are selling their products before doing the trials. This is a Nootrobox clone. Look at the team pedigree. Probably nice dudes, but they have no place in biochemistry. They'll never subject themselves to actual scientific scrutiny, because they know the entirety of the scientific community would lambast them. Nobel Laureautes is a red flag for false proxies in biochemistry. They recruited a subpar scientist just for marketing purposes. This MIT Leonard P. Guarente guy has a nearly 20 year history of bad runs at labs. Have a look here: http://science.sciencemag.org/co... A study on worms can not be translated to humans...even mouse studies dont translate...even chimp studies don't translate. But they are a needed stepping stone. If these companies are spouting that they are being more scientific and believe what they are selling then they should get the proof first...just like real drug companies that have to get FDA approval to make their claims. It’s likely that some of these supplements have minor but perceptible effects and in synergy they have measurable effects, but bypassing the FDA to demonstrate this is not the way to go (the FDA also needs to modify its criteria for efficacy, but that’s another discussion).
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@datarade Why so much hate for a team that has failed in the past...Failure is a great teacher and not a sign of someone who can never succeed...You seem like you want to hate them because they are going into the same space as your pet company Nootrobox which is fine yet let these guys deliver a product and test it out before you hammer them so hard with such venom...I for one will wait and see what they deliver...
@datarade They raised 20 million from top decile VC'S. Hence, they're legit
@coolbearcjs @datarade Kumar's feedback style isn't for everyone, especially here at PH where we try to be constructive and supportive even in disappointment and criticism, but his logic is sound. I have a neuroscience degree, and in my experience following Kumar he knows more than enough to speak with authority here. There's also a big difference between failing to try and failing to succeed. You can fail to succeed, and good on you. Failing to try is not ok in startups because you're playing with people's time and money. In hard sciences like biology and neuroscience when you fail to try—specifically, fail to even do basic accepted scientific practice (let alone legal practice like getting approved by the FDA)—you're playing with people's health and lives. There is a higher bar in science for a reason.
@averyhaskell That's so false. I can provide multiple examples: Nootrobox - it wouldn't pass a basic litmus test of scientific experts/researchers. - funded by A16Z Lumosity - Fundedy by MenloVentures. It is mostly bad science. I understand your desire to continue defending other Stanford CS majors, I imagine it helps your cause, but please understand it could have harmful effects upon consumers. I would fight anti-vaxxers tooth and nail, I'll also do the same to these quacks. They're welcome to come out and call me out on my BS, if I'm actually full of BS. I'm totally okay with that, but the reality is that, they won't, because they cannot honestly stand behind the data they're extrapolating into claims.
@datarade Theranos though. Sorry that science is slower than business creation
TechCrunch's @sarahbuhr just scooped their recent funding in the amount of $20m. From the article: "But are Elysium’s pills really the fountain of youth? Elysium claims its Basis product can do anything from helping you sleep better to repair your DNA, all leading up to a longer, healthier life. But the ingredients in these pills — a combination of nicotinamide riboside (NR) and pterostilbene — are not proprietary. For one they occur naturally in blueberries and milk, and for another you can actually buy both ingredients used in Elysium’s pills in separate bottles on Amazon for around $19 for a 30-day supply of NR and $12 for a 60-day supply of pterostilbene. The site describes them as pills that make you feel young, not necessarily anti-aging pills. This is a wild space that's getting more attention, from VC's and founders, bringing to question science, morality, and sci-fi futures. 😱 Update: The team just announced this statement, clarifying their Series B backed by General Catalyst.
@rrhoover the funny thing about many of these supplements is the base ingredients are often patented and available from multiple sources making it a marketing game. Thorne Research is doing/has done some solid research in this space and has a good product I've been using for several months made from the same patented NR ingredient for a lot less.
@airjoshb What product is that?
The whole “sirtuins are important determinants of aging” field is looking more and more like a giant steaming pile of bad science, with Guarente/Sinclair at the helm. At some point we have to look beyond the place of work (Harvard/MIT), beyond the journals where most of this is published (Cell/Nature/Science), beyond the whole Boston VC/Biotech jumps of joy, and call a spade a spade. Giving credence to scientific quacks is a disservice to the PH community. At this point, the best we can hope is Elysium will do for Guarente what Rejuvenon did for Bruce Ames. Founder of scientific field? Meet 10ft pole.
Whatever these pills do, I really don't trust them but I could see how some people will try the quick fix. I see how they are trying to hide their shady product behind a fancy brand. That page screams scam https://www.elysiumhealth.com/te...
@denull wow shady indeed
Interesting branding choice. But then again a meal replacement startup called themselves Soylent....
@evankimbrell For reals. If food named Soylent can make it anything can...
@evankimbrell LOL - right? I don't think many know the reference though. "It's people" But even without that reference - Soy! Yuck.