Bioo

Charge your phone with the power of a plant

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#3 Product of the DayApril 20, 2016

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Eddie Sellers Jr.
Eddie Sellers Jr.@eddie_sellers_jr_ · Big box development is the worst.
Sounds like a scam. "They claimed an output of "2-3 charges of 3.5V 0.5A". Have they ever had a phone charger in their hands?! USB has a standardised voltage of 5V. It is ALWAYS the same voltage, no exceptions. 3.5V will simply not work. And what counts as a charge anyway?! 0.5A is current, NOT capacity. [Note : this has since been fixed by Bioo. They now mysteriously provide 5v.] Not to mention the overall operating principal of the proposed device. I'm not a professor of horticulture nor a soil scientist but it still is easy to prove this concept as outright impossible. Direct sunlight, at noon in a warmer part of Europe or the US has a concentration of roughly 1000W per square meter. Photosynthesis has an efficiency of transferring irradiation into chemical energy of between 0.1 and 2%. That means that if your plant casts a shadow of a total area of 1x1m, it can produce between 1 and 20W at noon. I take the area of the shadow to omit overlapping leaves. They plant they show casts a shadow of about 0.2x0.2m, giving a total photosynthetic peak power of 0.04W to 0.8W. If left directly besides a south facing window one may expect the equivalent of 4 hours of such irradiation, giving us a BEST CASE scenario energy of 3.2Wh. To charge a phone you'd typically need 10Wh of energy. They claim 2-3 charges per day (website, @chantelmarinb claims 5) And what's more important, they claim this does no harm to the plant, while I'm operating here at an assumption of 100% efficiency. To clarify: I'm assuming they have a magical technology that takes ALL the energy absorbed by the plant, and PERFECTLY transfers it into the battery in the device, leaving NO energy for the plant to grow. Meanwhile, in the real world the efficiency of just moving power from one battery to another is about 80%." This a bad example of tech and a great case for @hoodoopro. I am not an expert but it seems they generate more power than available. Team Bioo, does your invention circumvent the first law of thermodynamics or am I completely wrong here?
Sam Schooler
Sam Schooler@samschooler · Cereal (like the breakfast) Entrepreneur
@eddie_sellers_jr_ @chantelmarinb @hoodoopro What if they used a battery to store the energy derived from the plant, then outputs it at the correct voltage, similar to how solar charging works.
Eddie Sellers Jr.
Eddie Sellers Jr.@eddie_sellers_jr_ · Big box development is the worst.
@samschooler Actually Sam, they have since updated their specs and now have 5V output, no issue there anymore...
George Halsted
George Halsted@george_halsted
@eddie_sellers_jr_ @chantelmarinb not to mention the plant is sitting in presumably whatever dirt you purchased it in (since you can use any plant) and somehow that gets "some electrons" from the "organic substances generated through photosynthesis" into their micro-organisms nano-wires at the base of the of the pot. And any plant you use is going to produce enough electricity... No way.
Chantal Marin
Chantal MarinMaker@chantalmarinb · CMO @Bioo, CEO @HoodooPro. MS in CS @Cal
@eddie_sellers_jr_ @chantelmarinb @hoodoopro It is not a scam. We are a company whose aim is to disrupt the energy game for better with an innovative technological solution. Doing so has great complexity and thus we appreciate all the constructive feedback. That said, our technical team has been using a range of 3,5v and 0,5A as it is our minimum registered. As we have previously mentioned in several occasions, we have implemented a new modulator so in the production of our plant pots we will assure a range of 5V and 1A in order to make any device suitable for Bioo. For the reasons previously stated, we are going to update the campaign information to reflect this and avoid further misunderstandings. Last but not least, we want to make clear that the plant does NOT suffer any harm. The elements that we need for the energy production are produced naturally during the photosynthesis process and expelled by the plant. We will be delighted to answer any doubts you may have.
Chantal Marin
Chantal MarinMaker@chantalmarinb · CMO @Bioo, CEO @HoodooPro. MS in CS @Cal
@samschooler @eddie_sellers_jr_ @chantelmarinb @hoodoopro We are a company whose aim is to disrupt the energy game for better with an innovative technological solution. Doing so has great complexity and thus we appreciate all the constructive feedback. That said, our technical team has been using a range of 3,5v and 0,5A as it is our minimum registered. As we have previously mentioned in several occasions, we have implemented a new modulator so in the production of our plant pots we will assure a range of 5V and 1A in order to make any device suitable for Bioo. For the reasons previously stated, we are going to update the campaign information to reflect this and avoid further misunderstandings. Last but not least, we want to make clear that the plant does NOT suffer any harm. The elements that we need for the energy production are produced naturally during the photosynthesis process and expelled by the plant. We will be delighted to answer any doubts you may have.
Joshua Dance
Joshua Dance@joshdance · Engineer, Product, athlete, indie hacker
Love the idea, but it seems too good to be true. Do any parts of the system break down or need to be replaced? Do the bateria die? Do the wires corrrode or degrade?
Chantal Marin
Chantal MarinMaker@chantalmarinb · CMO @Bioo, CEO @HoodooPro. MS in CS @Cal
@joshdance The system is designed so items don't damage the plant or get damaged. We don't plan to have parts breaking down as all the materials have been selected carefully. We haven't tested the product for long periods yet but we estimate that the system will require a very minimal maintenance.
Chantal Cox
Chantal Cox@chantal_marin · Senior PM @Credit Karma
@joshdance Also to prove that this is not a scam. Check out plant-e. Are they also a scam? Are all our competitors scams? We are not the only ones, we just did it better :)
Josh Lewis!
Josh Lewis!@joshlewis
I see that a 1 meter by 1 meter square you have will generate 28 kWh per year, minimum. Or about 2.3 kWh per month. So if I had a 25m x 25m square of these, I'd be able to power my entire house with nothing but sun and water? I'm finding this extremely hard to believe. I'd love for it to be true, but... really?
Chantal Cox
Chantal Cox@chantal_marin · Senior PM @Credit Karma
@joshlewis Also to prove that this is not a scam. Check out plant-e. Are they also a scam? Are all our competitors scams? We are not the only ones, we just did it better :)
Josh Lewis!
Josh Lewis!@joshlewis
@chantal_marin I'm extremely excited about the possibility of replacing some part of my lawn with this! Especially if combined with some very high-capacity batteries to make up for the natural fluctuations of electrical output. Can you say anything about any other concerns regarding lawn installation? Honestly, guys, if you can beat solar's price there, you're going to do extremely well for yourselves and the world.
Jaoued Ahmed
Jaoued Ahmed@jaouedahmed · Co-founder, MyAppConverter
This is cool! Can i charge my iPhone and IPad with it?
Carlos Lei Santos
Carlos Lei SantosHunter@carlosleisantos · Founder @ Hypelabs.io
@jaouedahmed You can! I'm getting this because of that, seems like an awesome product to have on my desk.
Chantal Marin
Chantal MarinMaker@chantalmarinb · CMO @Bioo, CEO @HoodooPro. MS in CS @Cal
Jeffrey Wyman
Jeffrey Wyman@jeffrey_wyman · At the intersection of Tech and Business
I want to believe but I'm skeptical... do you need a mature plant - do they always generate .5A or just up to .5A? the numbers just don't seem that realistic, no?