The fall of Roam

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April 9th, 2022
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I don’t use Roam anymore. Why?
Dan Shipper is an entrepreneur, writer, and the co-founder and CEO of Every, a bundle of business-focused newsletters, founded in 2020. Find him on Twitter: @danshipper. This post was co-written by Dan and Kieran O'Hare.
I used to use Roam every day, but I don’t use it much anymore. Based on what I can see on Twitter, and a casual survey of friends, I don’t think I’m alone.
A year ago, the idea of networking our notes with bi-directional links became the biggest thing in the tools for thought space since Vannevar Bush described the memex. Top-down hierarchies and tag systems became the pet explanation du jour for everything that was wrong with note-taking. So we all hustled on to the Double-Bracket Express determined to build our own networked knowledge graphs. But where did we actually go? At least for me—and most of the people I know—we got a garbage dump full of crufty links and pieces of text we hardly ever revisit. And we feel guilty and sad about it.
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Comments (12)
Deej Tulleken
Marketer, Maker, NFTs.
The inevitability of this article's title feels like Roam was always tempting fate. I haven't used Roam, but I've toyed with Obsidian and Mem without any real commitment. I like the concept of bi-directional links, but it's not vital (I've tried to hack an approximation of this into Notion in the past). I actually like categorising and compartmentalising things myself if the system is accommodating enough. I use Notion for fairly structured notes, like phased learning for a language (whether it be Spanish or C#) or a knowledge system (moved a bunch of process guides and employee handbook type stuff to Notion for my team and it works really well). Small notes, fragments, and things there aren't really a place for yet have traditionally gone into Evernote, but Notion is absorbing some of this as well. Evernote is very much a text-only tool for me. In the past, URLs would be a big part of what I was using Evernote for, but Raindrop has taken over in that capacity for me. Eagle is my favourite tool for categorising images and design resources, and Milanote 2.0 has an edge for me when it comes to visual bookmarking over Notion (if layout and control of space is very important). Workona has some interesting features for merging static resources and bookmarks. In my head, something like Obsidian was meant to replace a lot of this Second Brain stack, but I never really got to grips with how I was going to achieve that without adding to my cognitive load instead of subtracting from it.
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Tem Nugmanov
productivity magician 🪄
@deejtulleken I just found out about Heptabase (https://heptabase.com/) yesterday. Really interesting because it combines a few interesting features from Notion, Miro and Roam. I couldn't stick to those bi-directional text only tools in the past but this feels different.
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Deej Tulleken
Marketer, Maker, NFTs.
@temirlan Thanks, will check it out. Looks similar to Clover.
Anna Filou
Geek, Designer, Illustrator, Web Dev
@deejtulleken @temirlan just found this! How do you feel about Heptabase 7 months later?
Melissa McEwen
Indie Dev, Content Strategist
I'm really enjoying Foam (https://github.com/foambubble/foam) because as a programmer I already live in VSCode and Foam also lives there. And weirdly CoPilot occasionally gives me useful suggestions. Also because it's open source, if there is something I don't like, I can change it myself. That said, that flexibility can be a burden if you're spending all day tinkering with it instead of doing your work, which is a temptation for me. Also no mobile app OFC though Github now has Codespaces and I've been meaning to try it with that.
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Suhas Gundimeda
Incremental economy. RL, backend.
I stopped using Roam in the initial 15 days or so. Primarily because of the lack of timestamps and temporal context, which was one of the problems you mentioned. I currently just write out everything on Keybase, and it has worked reasonably well for me, apart from the lack of fuzzy search and bad UX for tag based systems. The lack of bidirectional links I solve with tags and common words, all the notes related to a thing will have that tag. The context when searching is temporal, which is generally enough for me. I think e2e encryption is important, so it's likely that Signal or Keybase storage-backed apps can fill this need. Alternative tools like Worldbrain's Memex and Anki form the rest of my knowledge stack.
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Simon Heuschkel
Berlin based product manager
Very interesting read! Since I started using OneNote in 2013 I am in a constant search for a replacement and nothing really has convinced me. However, there is one that I think is the most promising of them all. Not my product, just a huge fan and still in alpha. it actually works like a programming language. @anytypelabs. Give it a try. https://anytype.io/en
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Emmanuel Lefort
Building the Shazam for your Thoughts
Great piece - but strangely you can find the same on Evernote, iOS Notes, OneNote and the list goes on. The commonality between these posts are that the user quits after having taken MANY notes, because the system inevitably clutters. I gave up using Evernote for that same reason: couldn't find back stuff, duplicate entries etc. Our brain by contrast works on three axis: the information, how its connected to other information, and time. New information tends to surface more easily than old one, BUT when we see a strong link it resurfaces. "Yes! I know him we were at the same kindergarten 40 years ago!". The brain has three massive superiority on any digital system: - entities are UNIQUE: I can write ProductHunt on 20 different notes on iOS or Evernote, that will be 20 different ProducHunts. Cluttering. - limitless but WEIGHTED connections: if a link is important, the linked information will surface much faster than if its trivial. - concepts, and not words: in our brain Crypto, Digital Money, BTC are all very strongly connected, if not the same thing. In 99.9% of notes app these are separate wor(l)ds. These 3 features are still very hard to build today. They require a solid dose of NLU, and pestering the user to confirm if these entities are the same is not great. Not talking about how to "weigh" links properly.
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