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Waydev

Git analytics (2018) version 1.0

2.3/5
About

V1 - The fast & visual way to understand your developers. Waydev analyze your codebase from Github, Gitlab & Bitbucket to help you bring out the best in your engineers work.

Check out our V2 - https://www.producthunt.com/posts/waydev-2-0-1

Would you recommend this product?
Engineering Leader

LOC was a bad way to measure productivity in the 90s. It's gotten no better. This creates all kind of bad incentives for engineers. Number of commits has nothing to do with number of quality commits that delivered customer value.

Pros:

None

Cons:

Horrible way to measure effectiveness

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
You are right if we were measuring only LoC, but this is not the case. We know that some engineers are afraid of our accuracy and we are and will be transparent about everything we do. For the current moment, we're targeting non-technical founders who work with remote developers where you don't know anything about them, and from now on you will be able to track them - week by week. We don't track the performance; we measure the activity of a team. What do you say to give us a try and tell us if we're relevant? https://app.waydev.co/register
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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...
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It's super important to find ways for non-technical founders to connect with and manage engineers. This isn't one of them. Tracking an engineer by lines of code is like tracking a marketing person by the number of words on the home page. You don't want the most words, you want the most concise way to tell your story.

And number of git commits is not much better as it's super easy to game by just committing more often. Plus, if you want to get a high level sense of this, just look at the list of commits in GitHub.

Sorry - don't like to be negative about a startup or new product as I know the blood sweat and tears that go into making it, but this makes the world a worse place - sorry :(

Pros:

None

Cons:

It's a really bad idea :(

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
You are right if we were measuring only LoC, but this is not the case. We know that some engineers are afraid of our accuracy and we are and will be transparent about everything we do. For the current moment, we're targeting non-technical founders who work with remote developers where you don't know anything about them, and from now on you will be able to track them - week by week. We don't track the performance; we measure the activity of a team. What do you say to give us a try and tell us if we're relevant? https://app.waydev.co/register
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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...
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Startups, b2b & marketing

In the entrepreneurial age, devs are the lifeblood of all projects.

Problem is that non-technical founders or managers have little to no control over them.

Having met 10s of founders with failed projects due to complicated circumstances with their outsourced dev teams, this simple tool gives an overview of their work so you can basically sleep better at night and focus on growing the business.

Pros:

For a non-tech manager, it gives an overview of your development teams' work

Cons:

Might be seen as micro-management by devs

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
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Fractional CTO; Tabletop game designer

If you don't trust your technical team to execute the product vision and present you ongoing results, it's not time for a new tool, it's time for a new technical team.

Pros:

Unclear

Cons:

Utilizes specious metrics for "Impact"

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @woodardj Trust needs to be earned. And as a non-technical founder, when do you know when the will not deliver? It is a significant risk if you are non-aware of their progress, the risk of killing the project. From now on, for being on track with their activity, you can use Waydev.
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...
CEO at naologic.com

I've been using Waydev for a while now and I love it! It's easier when you have an overview on your team's activity

Pros:

easy to use, clear metrics

Cons:

still looking for them

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Thanks Gabi!
VP of Growth, Bitrise

I'm usually not one to go for negative reviews, but:

What is the "Impact" metric?

The metric you need to watch, week-by-week. At Waydev, we developed the "Impact" metric to analyze performance data. Impact takes the following into consideration: (1) The highest chunk of activity you did in the past, (2) The average activity of a developer based on our research and (3) The behavior of your activity in the last weeks.

"Activity" is not the same thing as impact. Teaching 'non-technical founders' that those two things are even remotely related sounds like a great way to undermine your team's actual impact. You don't want devs to blindly ram out and submit code. You want them to come up with smart, scaleable and effective ways to tackle issues and resolve challenges.

Pros:

I'm sure they mean well

Cons:

The core 'impact' metric doesn't signify actual impact and 'trains' non-devs on the wrong KPI's

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @hhaandr! Thank you for the feedback. We thought about your feedback, and you are right. Because of that, we've decided to change the "Impact Score" with "Activity Score," who describes best what we are doing at Waydev.
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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...
CTO, GetVokl Inc.

Can't use superficial metrics like that. Means nothing. Needs to measure actual value created, e.g. by impact on the users, or feedback from customer interviews etc

Pros:

Seems like a good idea to non-tech founders

Cons:

Actually tells them nothing about progress made

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @anton_ushakov! Thank you for your feedback! Waydev comes to help you take better decisions. We're an add-on to your project management tool. Due to the Product Hunt Launch, we've realized that "Impact Score" term it is not relevant to use for what we're doing, and we decided to change with "Activity Score."
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...
Co-Founder

I love that it's so easy to use for non-technical founders, especially that more and more marketers are going into the space of technical products and it gives them more flexibility and opportunities to learn.

Pros:

It's really simple to use

Cons:

None so far

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CTO & Co-Founder Waydev
Thanks Vlad!
Managing Partner at LEADLION ROMANIA

Great onboarding flow

Great reporting . Waiting for more.

Pros:

Easy to use interface and integrated with the platforms that matter

Cons:

Still exploring

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Thank you!
I zig where others zag

We intend to use this product as soon as we have full time development

Pros:

Very clean UX

Cons:

We don’t have full time developers yet, so we can’t really benefit yet.

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @chicke_fitzgerald! Thank you for your feedback!

Giving non-technical founders insight into the activity/impact of their developers is a hard problem, especially when those developers are contractors.

As a founder, your goal is to have an impact on your customers and the work your developers do should directly affect that impact. That impact is measured by the value added to your customer's lives. How can you measure that?

As someone below said, measuring lines of code for a developer is like measuring words on a page for a writer. There is no direct correlation between lines of code and impact on your customer.

I've seen codebases that have waaaayyyy too many lines of code for the work they perform. These extra lines of code only serve to slow down progress the longer your software is in production. You do want to be in production for a long time don't you?

The other metric, commits, is lacks a direct correlation to the impact on your customer. I am a developer that likes to make a bunch of small commits as I work to confirm that the software is working along the way. Other developers I know like to make one large commit for their work. Neither approach is a good one...just a different one.

Overall, as a technical founder, you need to find developers that you can trust and neither of these metrics is a good measure of that trust.

What are good metrics? Here are a couple that I've used successfully in the past:

Number of stories in process - the more that you have in process means the less you have in front of actual users adding business value. Think of in process code like inventory on the shelves of a grocery store. It costs you money to have that sitting around.

Time from start of work to production - not a great success metric but when this grows you know it is time for a conversation to find out why it is growing. Is it because your stories are too big (again think work in process/inventory). Is it because it takes you too long to get from dev complete to production? These questions can only be answered via conversation, not metrics.

Overall, as an industry, developers owe it to their founders to deliver actual business value as quickly as possible. If you feel like your developers aren't adding that visible, measurable value your customers care about then it is time to have a conversation about that.

Pros:

Nice UI

Cons:

not a good way to measure impact of a developer

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @mikegehard Thank you for testing Waydev and also for your feedback. What you describe are the industry standards today, but in our target are the founders without project management experience, if you already know to track stories, you will be able to understand your development team. The targeted persona is the founder, without to much project management experience who works with remote developers and don't know how to track them. BTW due to your feedback, we've realized that "Impact Score" term it is not relevant to use for what we're doing, and we decided to change with "Activity Score."
Product Consultant

This looks like a great concept. Coding is difficult and complex, and this is often the barrier between development and managers or clients. While initial stats may not be 100% accurate, I can see how continued use can lead to better results.

Pros:

Easy to use, creates a bridge between non-technical managers and developers, can help keep track of multiple projects, status at a glance

Cons:

You need to take the metrics with a grain of salt, I can see how it might not always be accurate

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev

This can easily be manipulated, and provides a false sense of insight into development work.

I hate to review a new startup this way. I just think that measuring these metrics is an ineffective strategy that discourages good behaviour.

Pros:

none

Cons:

Relatively meaningless metrics

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It's better to get honest feedback early on than to keep investing on this path though.
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
@nickell Hey! Thank you for your feedback! Waydev comes to help managers to make better decisions. We're an add-on to your project management tool. Why don't you test us, to judge if we are relevant or not? https://app.waydev.co/register
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...
Head of Engineer @ Pex (pex.com)

Be careful what you measure, you might improve.

You want to focus on the outcome, and not the output.

Pros:

None

Cons:

Not a good way to measure engineering effectiveness

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @yagiz Improving our accuracy it is our main priority, and your feedback is essential to us. I hope you will give us a try.
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...

This tool seems targeted at small businesses and entrepreneurs. I'm using it to track the work of a remote team that is handling the development of an iOS app.

Pros:

nice UI and simple way to track development

Cons:

for big projects it would need additional metrics

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Architect, Opolis

"My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger." - Dijkstra

Great way to incentivize bloated codebases and needlessly granular commit history.

Pros:

None

Cons:

Horribly misleading metrics

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @cmditch! We don't count lines of code; we track the working tools of your day-to-day job. I hope you will give us a try.
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...
Product Director, MANHITECTS

We had been developing an app for fashion industry and the contact with the developers was truly hard. It was a real need for me to have a close look of what is happening in developing. Now I can know how things are going.

Pros:

For me as a non-tech is a great thing.

Cons:

I find it slow and I didn't find easy all the features.

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @mihai_irimia Thank you for your feedback!

You cannot really compare lines of code and closed tasks between developers. I mean, the tasks have different complexities and take different amounts of time and code lines. It would only bring frustration to the team to measure effectiveness in this way.

Pros:

none :)

Cons:

micromanagement at its finest

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CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @haschivivianne! Thank you for your feedback! We don't measure the effectiveness; we track your activity from your daily working tools.
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...

If someone can explain to me how the sidebar in this page:

https://app.waydev.co/demo

And the comparison (when clicking on a user there) of how many commits A dev had on Friday two weeks ago compared to this Friday is in any way going to help a non-tech person I would be very grateful.

I'd also like to know how someone who doesn't know jack about development will be able to make sense iof John Dev A making 10 times less commits and writing 10 times less lines of code this week compared to last week.

There will be nothing worse for a non-tech manager to ask a question like "I noticed you're velocity/whatever-fancy-term-i'm-gonna-pick-as-a-non-tech-manager is down by a lot this week, care to explain why?".

Personally, if a potential client would say that it is using a tool like this, I would decline the project.

Pros:

Unclear

Cons:

This will literary destroy tech teams, frustrate devs and non-tech managers alike

CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Hey @agilius! Thank you for your feedback! I'm curios, why you would decline a project if your client using Waydev? Waydev comes for helping founders take better decisions. We're an add-on to their project management tool.
CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...

Software is the most complicated thing humans have ever invented period. There are millions of possible paths through a software system of any decent usefulness. With multiple facets required for success - time to market, bugs, scope, craftsmanship. It is an art and a science.

I am a technical leader, but I don't have the time or inclination to monitor internal minutiae. I wouldn't think the founder should either. They should be able to run the software and see new features or sub-features actually working pretty much every week or so (depending on the problem space). I look for my team to be setting and meeting meaningful releases that move the needle on the business. If that isn't delivered frequently then I hold the cross-functional team accountable - Product + Engineering.

If a non-technical founder wants to be successful with a technical product they can follow these steps.

1. Build a trust relationship between the business and the tech. If anything is blocking this then it won't matter how competent either side is. If the non-technical founder doesn't trust their tech partner then replace them.

2. Define a 12-18 month living roadmap - it can change, but always have a destination

3. Emphasize and expect incremental deliverables. Demo working code on a regular basis - maybe weekly for a brand new startup. The measure of success is solving user needs with a balance of scope, quality, timeliness, resiliency, flexibility appropriate to the lifecycle of the product and company.

4. Track changes to the plan

5. To understand the dynamics of optimizing the efficiency for humans the non-technical founder can read Peopleware and Slack. They need to internalize that innovation and software are a creative process, not a widget factory. Also see Goodhart's Law.

Pros:

none

Cons:

misleading, false sense of precision, unrealistic, demotivating to engineers, ineffective at measuring engineering effectiveness

CEO & Co-founder Waydev
Great to be back on here. At the previous launch, we've received a lot of feedback regarding our solution, we've processed the feedback, and we're excited to kick off 2019 by launching our new product. The new dashboard gives you an overview of your work so you can check the health or see correlations across your commits. -- https://www.producthunt.com/post...