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Alex Mehr@alexmehr · President, Gear Zero
Ben, great question. Talkk is a social network. In group messaging, you have to add/specify members who will be part of the group. So I'll have to know who is watching a basketball game, for instance, to add them to the group. Here, you start a conversation, and whoever is interested joins.
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
@alexmehr so anyone could join your group message? So, chatting with people on Twitter?
Alex Mehr@alexmehr · President, Gear Zero
@bentossell Only friends can write on your personal stream. Topic-based channels can be less constrained, up to 1 degree of separation from the channel owner. We have micro controls for visibility, ability to post, ability to invite for channels.
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
@alexmehr Yeah so my confusion here is that I can already talk to my friends individually or in groups on Whatsapp, Facebook etc. I can join in topical conversations on Twitter (ok it may not be the perfect use-case but it works for me). Starting another social network is a big burden to bear... I think there has to be a BIG value prop to get people to use it, and come back. It's such a tough market, providing another place to message friends may fall on deaf ears. Think of Peach, it had buzz around it and I'm sure people are using it. I fell off pretty dramatically. Not because I didn't like it but because it doesn't solve a need I have outside of the platforms I'm currently on. I do love their magic words but things like that I'd love to see experimented at Twitter. Basically this market is brutal so there needs to be a big red arrow pointing to why you need to use this. People easily can join topical conversations on twitter, reddit, etc and people can easily group message their friends on whatsapp, facebook, etc. Also a lot of group messaging with people you don't know tends to turn out like shit haha. I'd look at either group messaging with friends or topical conversations with and without friends. Both are v tough markets with competition but trying to throw a big net and get both of these right will be tough itself. Of course this is all my own opinion and I could be completely wrong - when you sell to X for $1Billion, feel free to ship me some glitter 😛
Philip Kuklis@philipkuklis · Co-Founder, Hubble
@bentossell @alexmehr Do you really need a huge and promising value prop in order to create a functioning social network or messenger? People are your biggest asset after all, and I believe that getting them to use your platform nowadays isn't always as straightforward as „Great, blatant value = Growth“. I always like to think of my experience with Snapchat. A few years back when I first downloaded it, I didn’t understand the need for it and deleted the app after a few minutes. Now everyone of my friends has Snapchat and I’m using it on a daily basis. I still don’t feel the urge for the product itself but it’s a really fun way to communicate. Same goes for Peach. It might not be that convincing with its magic words, but in the end your peers are the driving force. And when all of them are going to join in, you’ll definitely feel the need for it. Anyways, good luck with Talkk, really like the playful style! Unfortunately nothing happened when I typed in „ta-da“ 10 times in a row. 😞😃
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
@philipkuklis @alexmehr I think you need something of significant value in order to attract the right people for others to want to be on it yes. And especially with the breadth of competition out there at the moment. Something needs to stand out. Everyones different I know that. People value different things. I'm interested in the why's of things that may have stiff competition because I am intrigued with the angle and want to know what success looks like for them. I said I like the magic words and the increasing use of invisible apps/bots will increase peoples familiarity with /commands - magic words - etc. But at the moment It's not stuck with me. Im connected with people I'm interested in, but I get those updates from them through twitter or Facebook. I'm not writing it off, but we will see what happens. These are always MY opinions.
jeremy carson@thejeremycarson · Founder, creata.co
@bentossell I think the thing about Talkk is that there doesn't seem to be anything unique about it. to @phiktional, snapchat has the disposable messaging feature at its core. whether people saw value in it initially was questionable, but it was the main thing that they could rally around. what's so unique about Talkk?
Shayan Zadeh@shayang · CEO, Gear Zero (maker of Talkk)
@thejeremycarson not sure if you have tried the product or not. The essence of Talkk is it's ability to enable you to have a "conversation" that is relevant at that moment with a spontaneous subset of your friends. Can you achieve the same thing through a mish-mash of other mediums? absolutely. would you do it? not really. It's the same as saying well I could message you through email back in 90s, why do I need a new communication medium? With current products when you want to have a conversation, you either have direct message (a pre-defined audience with a high interruption permission) or posting on a news feed like Facebook (where your spontaneous plea for a conversation will have to fight all the broadcasters). We believe there is a need for something in between. Here is a bit more color if you are interested https://medium.com/@alexmehr/why... - I hope you all give it shot with a few friends and experience the magic that our beta testers have seen over the past month or so.
Daniel Fitzpatrick@dancyfits · App developer
@philipkuklis @bentossell @alexmehr "People are your biggest asset". Agreed, which is why social apps like this should consider having both iOS and Android apps as part of the minimum viable product. I can't really give this app a full test because most of my friends are on android. Same problem with Peach, Meerkat, etc. All that initial buzz, wasted.
Philip Kuklis@philipkuklis · Co-Founder, Hubble
@dancyfits @bentossell @alexmehr You're right, it would be definitely good to have both Android and iOS versions early on but it also might be very counterproductive. The MVP is meant to be an experiment which you should test & improve rather quickly. For most startups it can make things a lot harder when you have to run 2 apps in this stage.
Daniel Fitzpatrick@dancyfits · App developer
@philipkuklis @bentossell @alexmehr Isn't that what betas are for? I guess I can't imagine managing 2 apps getting a lot of buzz; never had to do it. Just seems like a waste to be featured on product hunt at this stage. Probably why I'd keep finding excuses not to go public, though, if I were in this situation
Pierre Vannier@pierre_vannier · Business Unit Manager @Klanik 🇫🇷
@dancyfits @philipkuklis @bentossell @alexmehr I think he means MVP to test their hypothesis that their app (ios only, rough edge cuts, not completely finished and accomplished product) has a market and can gain traction. They will get a maximum user feedbacks and iterate fast on this first app. As soon as they are sure there is a market for their app and some people are in love, then they can eventually think about developping another version to touch android user. I think developping both Android and ios app is a waste of time since your can test your assumptions with one version only. And then, of coursem in fine develop the other version.
jeremy carson@thejeremycarson · Founder, creata.co
@shayang yep I did. I think the event/interest based niche could work, but there's nothing that makes this better than joining any other app's group chat and titling it that event's name. (ex: what's app) if you want to own that space then you need some kind of technology that makes your solution better than anybody else's. Maybe it automatically picks up what's happening in your area. Maybe it already had different channels created for popular events or locations. at the very least, some preset channels would help. nothing exists right now. so again I ask, why would I use this app for your solution rather than any other app that lets me create a group and title it whatever I want?
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Siqi Chen
Hunter
@blader · VP Growth @Postmates
My friends Alex and Shayan (founders of Zoosk) launched this app today and I'm kind of loving it. It feels like a weird blend of Twitter, Peach, and group chat - really fun and refreshing take on messaging. I'm hoping we'll see some more people on it over the next couple of days because I've had a lot of fun so far.
Shayan Zadeh
Maker
@shayang · CEO, Gear Zero (maker of Talkk)
Here is why we we built Talkk: https://medium.com/@alexmehr/why...
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
How is this different to using Whatsapp groups?
Alex Mehr
Maker
@alexmehr · President, Gear Zero
Ben, great question. Talkk is a social network. In group messaging, you have to add/specify members who will be part of the group. So I'll have to know who is watching a basketball game, for instance, to add them to the group. Here, you start a conversation, and whoever is interested joins.
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
@alexmehr so anyone could join your group message? So, chatting with people on Twitter?
Alex Mehr
Maker
@alexmehr · President, Gear Zero
@bentossell Only friends can write on your personal stream. Topic-based channels can be less constrained, up to 1 degree of separation from the channel owner. We have micro controls for visibility, ability to post, ability to invite for channels.
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
@alexmehr Yeah so my confusion here is that I can already talk to my friends individually or in groups on Whatsapp, Facebook etc. I can join in topical conversations on Twitter (ok it may not be the perfect use-case but it works for me). Starting another social network is a big burden to bear... I think there has to be a BIG value prop to get people to use it, and come back. It's such a tough market, providing another place to message friends may fall on deaf ears. Think of Peach, it had buzz around it and I'm sure people are using it. I fell off pretty dramatically. Not because I didn't like it but because it doesn't solve a need I have outside of the platforms I'm currently on. I do love their magic words but things like that I'd love to see experimented at Twitter. Basically this market is brutal so there needs to be a big red arrow pointing to why you need to use this. People easily can join topical conversations on twitter, reddit, etc and people can easily group message their friends on whatsapp, facebook, etc. Also a lot of group messaging with people you don't know tends to turn out like shit haha. I'd look at either group messaging with friends or topical conversations with and without friends. Both are v tough markets with competition but trying to throw a big net and get both of these right will be tough itself. Of course this is all my own opinion and I could be completely wrong - when you sell to X for $1Billion, feel free to ship me some glitter 😛
Philip Kuklis@philipkuklis · Co-Founder, Hubble
@bentossell @alexmehr Do you really need a huge and promising value prop in order to create a functioning social network or messenger? People are your biggest asset after all, and I believe that getting them to use your platform nowadays isn't always as straightforward as „Great, blatant value = Growth“. I always like to think of my experience with Snapchat. A few years back when I first downloaded it, I didn’t understand the need for it and deleted the app after a few minutes. Now everyone of my friends has Snapchat and I’m using it on a daily basis. I still don’t feel the urge for the product itself but it’s a really fun way to communicate. Same goes for Peach. It might not be that convincing with its magic words, but in the end your peers are the driving force. And when all of them are going to join in, you’ll definitely feel the need for it. Anyways, good luck with Talkk, really like the playful style! Unfortunately nothing happened when I typed in „ta-da“ 10 times in a row. 😞😃
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
@philipkuklis @alexmehr I think you need something of significant value in order to attract the right people for others to want to be on it yes. And especially with the breadth of competition out there at the moment. Something needs to stand out. Everyones different I know that. People value different things. I'm interested in the why's of things that may have stiff competition because I am intrigued with the angle and want to know what success looks like for them. I said I like the magic words and the increasing use of invisible apps/bots will increase peoples familiarity with /commands - magic words - etc. But at the moment It's not stuck with me. Im connected with people I'm interested in, but I get those updates from them through twitter or Facebook. I'm not writing it off, but we will see what happens. These are always MY opinions.
jeremy carson@thejeremycarson · Founder, creata.co
@bentossell I think the thing about Talkk is that there doesn't seem to be anything unique about it. to @phiktional, snapchat has the disposable messaging feature at its core. whether people saw value in it initially was questionable, but it was the main thing that they could rally around. what's so unique about Talkk?
Shayan Zadeh
Maker
@shayang · CEO, Gear Zero (maker of Talkk)
@thejeremycarson not sure if you have tried the product or not. The essence of Talkk is it's ability to enable you to have a "conversation" that is relevant at that moment with a spontaneous subset of your friends. Can you achieve the same thing through a mish-mash of other mediums? absolutely. would you do it? not really. It's the same as saying well I could message you through email back in 90s, why do I need a new communication medium? With current products when you want to have a conversation, you either have direct message (a pre-defined audience with a high interruption permission) or posting on a news feed like Facebook (where your spontaneous plea for a conversation will have to fight all the broadcasters). We believe there is a need for something in between. Here is a bit more color if you are interested https://medium.com/@alexmehr/why... - I hope you all give it shot with a few friends and experience the magic that our beta testers have seen over the past month or so.
Daniel Fitzpatrick@dancyfits · App developer
@philipkuklis @bentossell @alexmehr "People are your biggest asset". Agreed, which is why social apps like this should consider having both iOS and Android apps as part of the minimum viable product. I can't really give this app a full test because most of my friends are on android. Same problem with Peach, Meerkat, etc. All that initial buzz, wasted.
Philip Kuklis@philipkuklis · Co-Founder, Hubble
@dancyfits @bentossell @alexmehr You're right, it would be definitely good to have both Android and iOS versions early on but it also might be very counterproductive. The MVP is meant to be an experiment which you should test & improve rather quickly. For most startups it can make things a lot harder when you have to run 2 apps in this stage.
Daniel Fitzpatrick@dancyfits · App developer
@philipkuklis @bentossell @alexmehr Isn't that what betas are for? I guess I can't imagine managing 2 apps getting a lot of buzz; never had to do it. Just seems like a waste to be featured on product hunt at this stage. Probably why I'd keep finding excuses not to go public, though, if I were in this situation
Pierre Vannier@pierre_vannier · Business Unit Manager @Klanik 🇫🇷
@dancyfits @philipkuklis @bentossell @alexmehr I think he means MVP to test their hypothesis that their app (ios only, rough edge cuts, not completely finished and accomplished product) has a market and can gain traction. They will get a maximum user feedbacks and iterate fast on this first app. As soon as they are sure there is a market for their app and some people are in love, then they can eventually think about developping another version to touch android user. I think developping both Android and ios app is a waste of time since your can test your assumptions with one version only. And then, of coursem in fine develop the other version.
jeremy carson@thejeremycarson · Founder, creata.co
@shayang yep I did. I think the event/interest based niche could work, but there's nothing that makes this better than joining any other app's group chat and titling it that event's name. (ex: what's app) if you want to own that space then you need some kind of technology that makes your solution better than anybody else's. Maybe it automatically picks up what's happening in your area. Maybe it already had different channels created for popular events or locations. at the very least, some preset channels would help. nothing exists right now. so again I ask, why would I use this app for your solution rather than any other app that lets me create a group and title it whatever I want?
Filippo Mursia@mrdobelina · Digital PM @ Gabriela Hearst
Looks pretty cool! Unless I'm missing something it would be nice to have suggestions on channel to join (my suggestion tab is empty and I can only share my handle). The Search is ok but I go crazy looking for every things I might be interested to!
Shayan Zadeh
Maker
@shayang · CEO, Gear Zero (maker of Talkk)
@mrdobelina you suggestions are based on people you follow. The more people you follow, the more relevant content gets exposed to you.
jeremy carson@thejeremycarson · Founder, creata.co
@shayang but how can I follow anybody if I don't know what is out there? that's a catch-22. (and what if I don't want to invite my friends...it's very common for this gen to not have total overlap of contacts between messaging platforms)