Surface Studio

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Noah Kim — I like to make things people like to use
I can't believe this thing isn't getting more love. If it had a mac logo on it, I'd bet 10 grand that it would be #1 hunt then stickied.

There's so much going on here that's awesome I don't know where to begin.

The hinge design (a huge huge deal for large scale drawing tablets).

That AMAZING knob control which I don't even understand how it sticks to the monitor.

The SCREEN itself, the thinness wrapped in a super rigid aluminum chassis and that resolution.

The pen. Assuming it's still Ntrig and not Wacom, but if it's good, this is a HUGE threat to Wacom.

And aside from all that, the fact that it's all powered by the internals that are equivalent to a high end gaming PC.

I love and use Apple err'yday, but stuff like this just reminds me of how brainwashed people are when it comes to brand association. :(
Andreas Mitschke — I own a computer
@wuss and because it is Microsoft you can bet they do not use any crap low gamut IPS panel like Apple did for years with their age-old unrevised white LED backlit IPS panel in their cinema display.

This is a beauty and it isn't 16:9, but we should wait for first reviews of the pen sensibility and performance as also if there is any surface friction for the pen. It's tasty, eye-candy and functional - seems like an incredible move, but reviews will tell.

EDIT:
* It's a 28-inch 4,500 x 3,000 panel, no words about color range, full gloss seems to not have additional surface friction, which is sad and thus maybe no competition for cintiqs.
* The Dial has no additional gimmick to adhere to the screen, it is literally hold in your hand.
Jonathan Howard — Cofounder, Emissary
@wuss I love and use Apple erryday too, and own a windows gaming PC. I really would love this to be an iMac & cintiq killer, but I'm wary of Microsoft's execution. Illogical brand loyalty is a real thing, but keep in mind the Microsoft brand isn't just an icon etched into that beautiful aluminum chassis. It also signifies decades of history with sub par software, trouble with bluetooth, printers, and drivers, display scaling issues, hardware that falls apart faster and takes more IT resources to solve. All packaged in a form factor that, while beautiful and impressive, isn't a differentiator in 2016. I very much hope the reviews blow those worries away but IMO they're real, and perhaps seem like blind brand loyalty from the outside
Leonardo Zakour — Entrepreneur & Product Designer.
Just add macOS (for desktop mode) and iOS (for tablet mode) and this is brilliant.
Noah Kim — I like to make things people like to use
@staringispolite Fair point, but if you itemized what the Surface Studio is a conglomeration of, there's not as much risk as you would think. I'd be most concerned about the sturdiness of the hinge and the execution of that knob (THAT KNOB.. i mean, on it's own it's its own PH).

Aside from that, touch/ntrig is tried and tested from Surface 4, Windows 10 is Windows 10 (which is also my main home PC for gaming as well, but it dual boots into OSX/hackintosh). Display scaling issues in my experience, have been less of a Windows 10 issue, and more of a 3rd party support issue since Windows development isn't as tightly controlled as Apples/Macs. Windows 10 itself has come a long way with display scaling and hasn't really been an issue for me (admittedly OSX is still better).

I could be wrong, but I don't think MS has been making hardware for decades either.

Break down the special use case for the Studio, you'll probably have less issues with display scaling than you think, because most of the major creative suites/software have "retina" UI's for Windows.

I know this will come across as trying-to-hard, and it'll sound like I'm some anti-Apple fanboi (which is far from the truth), but tbh, the most issues I've ever had with any of my hardware has been Apple by far. Between iPhones and Macbooks, I've had issues of varying degrees with at least 1 out of 2 devices across 5+ devices over the years. Not quite apples to apples since my PC/non Apple stuff is multiple brands, but I just don't really come across that many issues with my Android phones and/or chromebooks and Windows laptops (all my PC's are custom built, so don't include those in this metric).

Just within the last 3 months, my wife's 2014 macbook air (basically latest generation) developed a dead horizontal line of pixels on the screen, that, per usual, is a known issue with this laptop. 1 month prior, her iphone 6S developed a weird problem where it wouldn't power up and the home button overheated (again, upon googling appears to be a very common problem relating to the fingerprint sensor malfunctioning). My current work laptop is a 2014 Macbook Pro 15", and the anti-glare coating has started rubbing off on 1/3 of the screen making it look like it has leprosy (again, known problem). It's trackpad has also begun sticking to the point where the Macbook becomes unusable because it thinks you're always depressing the touchpad. In contrast, all of my non-apple devices (which outnumber my apple devices) in aggregate, in the last year, have only had 1 problem. My S7 Edge got a weird "particulate" in the lens that popped up in all my photos.

I know this is all anectodal, but it's still my personal reality. I've owned 2 Surfaces (the 2 pro and 3 pro). Both have been solid, but just not for me in the end.

TLDR version is, I never buy extended warranties, but I always buy Applecare. It's too big of an investment and too poor a track record for me not too.
EZE — HYPER!
@wuss Couldn't agree more!
Jonathan Howard — Cofounder, Emissary
@wuss The cost/maintenance point was referencing this report from IBM http://www.computerworld.com/art...

Here's hoping the positive possibilities you mention (e.g. Microsoft taking over on hardware meaning improvements there) end up going well in the reviews!
Pascal Andy — Cofounder at a "stealth startup"
@wuss yes brand is a powerful thing and it take time to build it. MS hurted themselves for so many years... do you really expect people to rush in ?
@wuss completely agree with you man. The product looks awesome, but yet again something you are overlooking is that the fact that it doesn't have the apple logo on it, cuts its life-span in half. 2 years max and this thing will be hardly working, bugging out and driving you crazy.

Anyway, if you don't care about this, the product looks amazing! I am personally just tired of having to change windows devices every 2 years because they are not working after that(Custom built PCs are an exception)

Can't wait to test it.
Ben Lew — Designer of things.
@wuss Irrational brand loyalty is real, but so is Windows. I had the Cintiq Companion that ran Windows and I can't count how many times I came to it, amped up to begin creating and had to spend 20-30 minutes waiting for an update or troubleshooting wifi or some other hardware issue, it was a nightmare and it really did hinder my creativity. This product is cool af though and I hope it does very well so that we'll see more versions of it in the future.
Reony T — Designer & EV Advocate
@wuss I'm considering getting one of these to replace my PC sometime. Because of the specs, not only would it be beautiful for design (would run a Mac VM for all the design apps), I could play Overwatch on it with these specs too! 😁 🎮
Mark Thomas McEwan — Maker of Reallygoodlist & SnapSend
@wuss I think the majority of us are not brainwashed by Apple, they are not perfect. But most of us here have done the rounds of buying and using PC and Mac, It looks great, nobody is questioning that, but for me, I expect it will be a disappointment to use, Id bet on that, Sluggish, Crash Ridden, Bloated Mess of an OS, but pretty, Wish my Mac was touchscreen and tilted like this.

Regards,
All the Brainwashed Apple Brand Junkie's
Dapo Olaopa — UI Designer, Texsoft
@staringispolite Problems with bluetooth printers and drivers were largely because hardware and software were coming from different places. Now that the whole thing comes from MS (the advantage Apple had), this shouldn't be much of a worry. Unreliable hardware was as a result of OEMs trying to undercut each other on price, another wahala MS has gracefully thrown out the window. I hope this thing stands the test of time.
Jonathan Howard — Cofounder, Emissary
@dpencilpusher Details aside, sure. Hope is the operative word there. For people to shake off those associations, they'll have to have fixed all those issues, not introduce new ones despite running the full supply chain for the first time, show a sustained thoughtful consistency through the software, and get enough people to buy that it attracts that same level of care from 3rd party developers.

There's never been a better time for the to do this, with iMacs aging and that largely disappointing Macbook launch, so we'll see!
Tudor Baidoc — A Web & UI Designer
@leozakour exactly my thought. Love the hardware, but hate the software inside it.
@andmitsch @wuss The Dial has a soft rubber bottom that's supposed to stick a little to the glass. It doesn't stick too well though, with the screen fully down (20° incline) it still slides ever so slowly...
Noah Kim — I like to make things people like to use
@marktmcewan I feel you Mark. I just can't relate. Pretty much since windows 7, I've rarely encountered a crash and never a virus. Granted maybe it's just because I innately don't do dumb things w/ my PC like open weird files, or the fact that I build all my PC's, etc.. But Windows has been solid for me post-Vista. It's been as equally reliable as OSX for me. I could easily claim that OSX has actually been more unstable (more freezes, restarts. etc.), but that wouldn't be a fair comparison since I spend the majority of my time in OSX so the metric would be skewed. There's also the delineation between OS issues and 3rd party software issues.

I don't ding an OS for 3rd party software causing crashes, which I noticed seems to be a double standard when comparing the 2 OS's.

Windows crashes for any reason whatsoever = Windows sucks.
OSX crashes for some reason = Hmm, I wonder what app caused it.

Admittedly, I find myself playing devils advocate a lot (and end up sounding like a crazed anti-Apple fanboi) because I find it rare to be able to have a balanced discussion when it comes to Things Apple Makes vs Everything Else.
Holly Chisholm — Designer - The Flex Company
@staringispolite I'm curious as to what software you think is sub-par on windows.
Michael Kirlew — Founder, SkyPhone.io
@leozakour Agree 100%... Great hardware design! But not a fan of the software. Put MacOS in it and it's party time in my brain!
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Niv Dror — Writer/Social Editor @ProductHunt
The new Microsoft Surface Studio is f***ing brilliant.

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