Penpot

@saalex Hmmm. My personal pick would be 1) there's no REALLY GOOD open source design & prototype tool and, TBH, we believe that tools matter a lot, they are not just means to an end. 2) Please, we need SVG! This low-code translation is ridiculous! We have an open standard for web and mobile and other platforms, yet another proprietary format Figma? and 3) At kaleidos, we felt that software devs were enjoying all the greatness of open source, plenty of choices, best of the best, while our visual design friends and colleagues were just left behind, second class citizens. This was SUPER painful in a very personal way. We actually had to accept they should be granted Figma! And that made the clic! We said "we will fix this for you if you lead the way" and here we are... Penpot.

@jan_d the "alpha" tag was wrong in my opinion (don't tell the team I said this). This is Alpha as in Alpha Female. Yeah, sure, you'll find bugs here and there but, I mean, this was super tough to put together and it works. It does give you the confidence that you can be productive with Penpot TODAY. Otherwise, it'd be yet another nice tool, but I see that you feel there's a clear path forward. Figma was a source of inspiration and we made sure the learning curve would not be steep, there are also many best practices to borrow from. I have a question for you, do you work with UI designers and frontend/backend devs?

@diacritica > I have a question for you, do you work with UI designers and frontend/backend devs? Yes, I do. All 3 roles, although we do not a *lot* of UI design.

@jan_d OK, I see. One of our hypothesis here is that we need to blur the lines between UX UI & Front Back. When we developed Taiga we made sure UX UI would welcome an agile project management platform. We know want devs to enjoy a design & prototype tool and UNDERSTAND the design process being part of it. We would love to hear from you in the future and how your Penpot experience went in that regard too. Thanks!

@elioqoshi Thanks! I think I remember you!!! What a year, right? And yet here we are :)

@david_bonilla it's hard to make it really cross-browser and cross-OS when it has to be very very pixel-perfect-or-die. Thanks for noticing!

@basiclines Thanks Ismael! We wanted to keep it secret for as much as possible (for an open source project) so we could "officially launch it". Today is the day. We would have had a great party at our offices, but we're distributively partying anyway, as you can imagine :)

@guillem_serra1 First of all, to use SVG as native format WAS a challenge, but it was a HUGE opportunity too. I'll tell you why. If you go for SVG (open standard, web, mobile, etc) at the storage level, you can suddenly integrate all your Penpot designs with your code repos. You could make changes to the actual representation of the design itself thanks to SVG and not yet another closed format. That opens the door to massive opportunities for designers AND devs. Also, SVG means we are low-code ready for free. You can pick any element in Penpot and ask for its SVG (and CSS) representation knowing it's actually what it is, no translation. That brings a more trustworthy relationship between designers and devs and allows frontend devs to try out their design skillset. As for Figma, well all of the above plus open source, on premise options, and focus on design process plus dev process. We believe in cross-domain teams.

@prilutskiy Thanks Max!! We will need ALL the luck, and ALL the hard work. That's how it goes...

@mordodemaru yeah! You can either download it and use it on premise (your laptop, fine) or use the cloud option here https://design.penpot.app How does it feel to have BOTH options, right?

@mordodemaru thanks very much Jordi! No need to download it as it runs on a browser. Looking forward your feedback :)

@diacritica Hosted version feels even better for collab. Woohoo!