@netgenius I am curious though; I think I kinda sort've perhaps possibly get what you're hinting at... but I have to agree with the general sentiment here that the messaging is just bananas.
Let me try to understand: instead of me clicking a browser, and then me interacting with the Internet within said browser, the Internet and all of it's glory is just seamlessly weaving in and out of my computer's native power?
Is Product Hunt's new MacApp, for instance, an example of what you're getting at? Is that the ELI5 version?
@netgenius initial reaction was genuinely just to the crazy comment wars, not really the product specifically. Product comments remain above, though.
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@netgenius Friend, you need a co-founder and an articulated vision. This feels too much like you missed whatever mark you were aiming for. I'm sorry. You have to build a product for a market, not just yourself. Site is riddled with... I dunno, MySpace-y 1999 isms. It also asks for a ton of information while claiming to be against spying and such. It makes a lot of promises before you sign up but doesn't look like it fulfills them. Just being frank and honest here. Go back to the drawing board, get a socially-aware, western co-founder and build something epic because it looks like you have the will to.
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OK. First thing, I literally don't have a single clue what you're doing. You're all over the place. And no, I'm not falling for the "ooooh so mysterious" fad.
Secondly, it's dead obvious you're trying hard to be "cool" and it makes me instantly suspicious of such buzzword-revolution. I mean, "We are currently ROCKING in current beta", really? If you're trying to promote "the new internet", your target audience is basically geeks (and almost-geeks), since normal people are quite content(/oblivious) with the current state. Problem is, geeks don't fall for that crapywriting. Show me something real. Tell me about the technology. Present use cases.
But what scares me the most is that such "cool" products are more likely to jeopardize security for user experience and ROI.
This seems like a simple case of a buzz product, that has not real focus but tries to do all the cool things at once, with charismatic people (Internet Geniuses? c'mon) who will spend a lot of money on unnecessary things, run the company to the ground, maybe pivot a few times, and finally go byebye.
That's the impression i'm getting anyway.
@danr_4 thanks for the feedback. Real quick I am trying to gather something productive from what you said and thus find it very hard "falling for yours" myself so I guess that makes 2 of us :) Happy hunting!
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@netgenius aaaaand that's another warning sign - totally ignoring criticism. I literally wrote "Show me something real. Tell me about the technology. Present use cases". obviously that's not helpful at all.
Good luck and
@danr_4 love the meme even though I know your trolling me, you got 11 followers on Twitter my brother be humble.
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@netgenius I think I remember someone on r/startups on Reddit proposing this idea, and the founder was just as defensive as you were being right now. I'm guessing that was you... nobody was able to understand what you were doing then, and it doesn't look like anybody is able to understand now either. If this group of early adopters doesn't get it, what makes you think anybody else is going to?
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@netgenius I still have no clue what this product does even after reading all your replies. I don't see how this is solving any problems besides being super vague.
@michaelabehsera I want to introduce something like AOL, MS-DOS, BBS from the nindies before the networks like Facebook ruled are everyday lives and brought in these conflict of interests (at least for me). I grew up on the internet 12-14 hour days tying up 56kpbs. before the browser was ruling our everyday lives and want to re-introduce this by first introducing this web application. Everything new is confusing and difficult to understand we are trying our best to make it more visible and clear. We are just working on something that could be a lot more cooler and beneficial then many of the dead one feature apps available today. You have to be a REAL internet user to get this idea and creation before it will ever become mainstream. Thank you to Product Hunt for seeing our vision and posting us today! I am not claiming that we have all the kinks worked out but I am claiming that if you take the time to see what we have built and what it is capable of you would respect it for what it's worth. That's all I can say. Thanks.
@netgenius jusssssssst a piece of perhaps un-welcomed advice here, but saying things like "you have to be a REAL Internet user to get this idea" is just flat out condescending. The PH community is literally chalk-full of some of the most intelligent, active, critically constructive and generally helpful (REAL) Internet users, my man. You unfortunately seem to generally lack this type of self-awareness; which seems to be the "product's" deepest flaw.
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I don't get it at all. Signed up and was led to a page with a bunch of silly internet meme's and a "Start your lifecycle" button which requests a bunch of invasive information with no explanation as to why. There's a "console" with a rudimentary command line interpreter and that's about it. After signing out I can't even sign back in again as I didn't set a password. Not sure this is going to be ready for prime-time for a /long/ time.
@jamiequackers thank you for the feedback. Yes you must change your password as the email states. This is a newer concept sucks that we had you miss out. Sometimes users are okay with just sharing pics on Instagram or making pictures disappear :)
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@netgenius I didn't receive any email - using Office 365 and not in Junk E-mail neither. I think if your homepage explained the concept in a bit more detail you'd be more likely to get buy-in.
@jamiequackers sorry interior mail. We have an inner private mail system replacing the traditional @ symbol with . to make sure spam and junk mail take a while to ever get to our system if this makes any logical sense. Jamie we totally agree but we are also trying to go against the grain just a tad.. every website and company is rolling out the ad revenue model and not being the slightest unique. We have a lot of work to do and that is the truth but I still do firmly believe that our system holds the key to the future of the web & this is why we went full steam on Product Hunt. I sincerely appreciate your input and hope that you honor my hard work, love and dedication for our industry and just take a small quick minute to read above or through our blog www.thenogroup.com <-- if it sucks then it sucks we are sorry only human here.
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@netgenius You badly need an elevator pitch Vangeli :(
@jamiequackers yes agree it gets hard when your trying to present something so new. I am working on this though you should see me in my mirror in action.
@netgenius "Welcome to the startup of tomorrow." -- this does not explain your product AT ALL. This just tells the users you have huge amounts of ego. You should have a description of the product in 140 characters which is clear for everyone. I'm a security tester and developer so I guess I should understand this but I just can't. And I think it's not my fault after reading all the comments
@noxowe thank you for this advice I appreciate it.
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So, after reading the home page and the comment page I've just no desire to try this. Now, Vangeli, before you get all defensive, you need to understand that nobody here is hurtling insults at you or your product.
Let's be honest: Your messaging failed. It just did. These people here are early adopters by definition and they haven't a clue why they should use your thing. If the people most likely to use your thing aren't using your thing then I don't know why you would see that as anything shy of a massive red flag.
Second, I just don't believe your claims are true even a little. http:// is dead? This app looks like an massive collector of APIs and RSS. How exactly are you sending requests to all these APIs if not over the internet? Why the frowny face? If you believe that these protocols are dead then wouldn't you be happy to be the one selling the solution?
Third, I see literally nothing about this product that hasn't been tried on one of the however many thousands of "home pages" that existed in the early 2000s. The only thing it's got going for it is native code. From what I can gather your competition in this space is Hootsuite, Buffer, and really any other app that primarily interfaces with APIs.
Fourth, your attitude in these posts and comments has been revealing. And not in a good way. You don't come across as intelligent, just as self-absorbed, egotistical, and uninterested in your users. You care more about your product than about taking care of people's needs and that is the core problem with this app. It solves problems people don't have, and instead of recognizing that you double down on ill advised marketing.
It's honestly impossible to go through and point out all of the severe problems this product and its marketing have.
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@trulyadamant I think you pose some great questions here and phrased in a more coherent way than I could put across.
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