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Crowdsourced neighborhood 🗺 maps to navigate a city 💫

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levelsio
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@levelsio · Founder of Nomad List
Hey Product Hunters! I made this new thing called Hoodmaps. Here's the problem I had, and the solution I thought of: 🤔 Problem The problem is that every time I travel to a new place it's hard to figure out which parts of the city to go. I very often end up in the tourist center. I'm originally from Amsterdam and I know 90% of tourists will never get any idea about the "real" Amsterdam because they just stay in the tourist center. It's a fake area that has nothing to do with Dutch culture. So what do I want? I want to get a quick overview of what a city is about. What are the cool "hip" areas? Where's the wealthier areas? What areas are more suburbian (and maybe boring 👅 for me?) 🛠 Solution When my friend @generic_dreams asked me where to go in Amsterdam I drew a map: https://twitter.com/levelsio/sta... I thought, maybe I can make this in to an app. So I made a Google Maps map, and you can draw colors on it. And every colors represents a different category. I have 🎅hipsters, 📸tourists, 🤑rich, 🏡normies, 👔suits and 🎓uni area colors. And it uses everyone's drawings as crowdsourced data. So if 5 people draw over an area that it's tourist, but 8 draw over it that it's hipster, it'll show up as hipster. I've also added tagging, so people can tag places with opinionated statements about an area. Tags can be upvoted and downvoted, which means it's somewhat self-regulating. 🤓 How accurate is it? Today I walked around in Los Angeles, to figure out if the concept actually worked and livestreamed it on Twitter 😊: https://twitter.com/levelsio/sta... Let me know what you think! 💖Special thanks to @reustle for bugging me to build (and finish it), @oskarth and @marckolhbrugge helping me with data questions, @andreyazimon, @flowen_nl and my brother for supporting me to finish it and everyone else who helped in any way!
Ahmad Awais@mrahmadawais · Full Stack Dev— WordPress Core Developer
@levelsio Amazing work! I stumbled upon it when you asked for the feedback in Slack. Incredible stuff. I think it is going to be an awesome startup! I have already started to read a few funny but true things about states/cities I have plans to travel to! 💯
Kartik Jain@sirkartik · Founder/CEO, Nomly
@levelsio i totally feel your problem, and this is an interesting way to address it. this seems like it would be most useful while I'm walking around a city. Considering that use case, what do you think about creating an AR experience, like Yelp Monocle, that guides you to the desired parts of town?
Garrett Norvell@garrettnorvell
@generic_dreams @reustle @oskarth @marckolhbrugge @andreyazimon @flowen_nl @levelsio Awesome product! I'd love to see "danger"/"ghetto" categories -if you walk around some of the "Normies" areas of Los Angeles long enough, you may well get robbed or worse! (-:
Ricky Lee@rickyleeuk · Founder of www.Find.Exchange
@levelsio Great story and love creative people as yourself to help create useful tools like this, hope the best. I'll be in contact with you in a few weeks as I'm the founder of Find.Exchange (www.Find.Exchange a London and Moscow based fintech company offering a powerful aggregator, a search and comparison engine for foreign currency, money transfers and travel currency cards). Your heat type of map can be very useful for us on the section of finding the central areas for Exchange Bureaus in our "Cash Section". We'll be publishing our platforms on Product Hunt next week bit by bit for feedback of users.
petruzzo@mikepetruzzo · product guy @ self
I guess I can't share a screenshot but you are seeding the user with a forced behavior - to categorize everyone as bromides, hipsters, etc etc. Let's start there - if this is a free zone to write whatever but why seed the behavior with anything like categorizing human beings...let alone did you ever think of how much your categorizing other humans actually sheds light on who you are for creating this product?
petruzzo@mikepetruzzo · product guy @ self
I cannot use this product on my iPhone without categorizing another human being as something.
Bruno Lemos@brunolemos · Developer // Node, GraphQL, React Native
@mikepetruzzo I see you categorized yourself as a product guy, I'm offended
petruzzo@mikepetruzzo · product guy @ self
@brunolemos exactly
petruzzo@mikepetruzzo · product guy @ self
@brunolemos it's the chance of someone getting offended at all that makes this a mistake. Regardless of your political or metaphysical affiliation
Bruno Lemos@brunolemos · Developer // Node, GraphQL, React Native
I was being ironic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tomasz Stefaniak@tomaszstefaniak · web developer, digital nomad, freelancer
@mikepetruzzo lol
Mark Surfas@surfy · Chief Product Instigator
@mikepetruzzo are you saying that because someone *might* get "offended" this product is a "mistake"? Really? Golly.
Edin Vejzovic@edinvejzovic · Designer, marketing-er, and a talker.
@mikepetruzzo If I did this, I'd be proud of it. I may seem like an asshole to you, but why don't you look at your own bussines instead of me, I like me, I like to categorise people because that's an option. People do follow some stuff like sheep and deserve to be categorised, even me, I don't care how somebody categorises me. It seems to me you have too much time and frustration on your hands, so you're offended by light jokes and cool stuff. Don't just assume the maker is a bad guy.
petruzzo@mikepetruzzo · product guy @ self
@surfy yeah - I think that's something you think about when you make products. If you're product uses words like "suits" and "hipsters', you should know there is a history of these words driving arguments. They are often perceived as derogatory. Nobody agrees on what "suits" "norms" "hipsters" even are, so the classification gets messy very fast, and people get...irked and they decide not to use the product. Not many people who wear "suits" want to be called a "suit" and not many people who are "hip" want to be called "hipsters". This debate/argument could be considered helpful for marketing (hey, bad press is still press!) but you'd have to be creating a great deal of value to overcome the churn. And I think that if you break it down there's not much value yet because the classification system (words "hip" "norm") ****are words that are not mutually defined but debated****. And a map-key/annotations are something that visually show information that is accurate and you can rely on, these definitions/terms change dramatically inbetween each user who painted them so this map isn't going to be...accurate. So yeah there's lots of problems here.
Mark Surfas@surfy · Chief Product Instigator
@mikepetruzzo I'll bet you're a ton of fun at parties. If you see me wearing a suit, feel free to call me a suit. That said, which products have you released here?
petruzzo@mikepetruzzo · product guy @ self
@surfy Right. I'm no fun at parties because I don't sit around and reinforce stereotypes. Over a map.
Mark Surfas@surfy · Chief Product Instigator
@mikepetruzzo maybe give it a try. Definitely couldn't hurt.
petruzzo@mikepetruzzo · product guy @ self
@surfy https://rhizome.org/editorial/20... I have quite a bit of experience with these concepts. What's yours?
Charles Duffy@charles_duffy · Founder, Lead Designer/Engineer
@mikepetruzzo I think you should think of it as a demographic tool rather than a "people categorizing" app. I definitely agree that you can't just simply categorize the demographics in to 5 sections (especially with the term hipster!), but there in lies the difficulty of building an app. It may require some creativity in the naming convention
Nico Fetter@nicofetter
@mikepetruzzo (eating popcorn meme)
Justin@compurbanist · In another time's forgotten place.
@mikepetruzzo Petruzzo is raising some valid ethical questions about this app. It's truly disappointing to see the community chastise him for it. The issue at hand is not merely that someone might be offended, it's that this app encourages the reinforcement of negative urban stereotypes, which can have lasting consequences on the communities. Shame on @brunolemos, @surfy and @edinvejzovic for making light of it. Many of us come from communities of great privilege. I believe we should be conscious of that privilege before we laud an app that labeled communities as "no go zones."
Justin@compurbanist · In another time's forgotten place.
@surfy @mikepetruzzo bravo! 🙇
Justin@compurbanist · In another time's forgotten place.
@mikepetruzzo @edinvejzovic I didn't read any comment on this thread that called the maker a "bad guy." Your comment, on the other hand, is explicitly making assumptions that @mikepetruzzo has "too much time and frustration on his hands" just because he has an opinion that is different from your own. Free advice: work more on being a "listener" and less on being a "talker."
Leanne Beesley@leanne_beesley · co-founder at Coworker.com
LOVE THIS! Also laughed so hard at how accurate the Chiang Mai one is so far... "prostitutes" and "dropshippers" are in the exact correct locations! 😂
Justin@compurbanist · In another time's forgotten place.
@leanne_beesley I don't find people who are struggling to get by that funny, actually, but to each their own.
Leanne Beesley@leanne_beesley · co-founder at Coworker.com
@compurbanist Wait, are you saying the dropshipping courses out there don't generate the riches they promised and their users are struggling to get by? Daayum i think you just blew the lid on an entire industry. Good call.
Justin@compurbanist · In another time's forgotten place.
@leanne_beesley Sorry, I got a bit too emotional and shouldn't have singled your comment out. That wasn't fair, and I apologize. 😞 I do get why people think it's funny. On some levels, it is funny. Maps like these are also interesting, and instantly familiar. Urban designers have long been studying these kinds of "public images" of cities, and in skilled hands, these mapping techniques can reveal a lot about the collective wisdom of the places where we live. But there's also a huge risk. I hope folks realize that these kinds of labels have lasting impacts on real peoples' lives. I hope @levelsio and other designers of systems like this can take a moment to realize that when you build affordances that allow people to express these kinds of biases, there's a huge potential for damage. Put yourself in the shoes of the middle-school aged girl who lives in a neighborhood people marked as "prostitutes." Imagine how she might be teased at school every day. Imagine how painful that might be. A little bit of empathy goes a long way.
Nichole Elizabeth DeMeré@nikkielizdemere · Moderator at Product Hunt
@leanne_beesley @levelsio @compurbanist Hi Justin, I also actually don't find it amusing. Your last paragraph above is spot on.
Garet McKinley@garetmckinley
It's been super awesome following your progress on this, enjoyed seeing your QA video tweeting series as well. Very awesome project, will definitely be using in the future 🔥
levelsio
Maker
@levelsio · Founder of Nomad List
@garetmckinley Thanks Garet! I tried to build it as open as possible :)
Andrew Ettinger@andrewett · PMM @ Twitter, Previously @ Product Hunt
Sunday AM launch thooo 🔥🔥🔥
levelsio
Maker
@levelsio · Founder of Nomad List
@andrewett CLASSIC