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Fraser Smith
@frassmith · Software Developer, Shanghai, China
How long before Apple's lawyers are all over this and it's all over?
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Jack Smith
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@frassmith hackintosh builds have been around for many many years
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Fraser Smith
@frassmith · Software Developer, Shanghai, China
@_jacksmith Indeed, but hackintoshes are rarely marketed and sold as a finished product. They're usually, very much a grass-roots do-it-yourself thing.
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Jack Smith
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@frassmith fair point
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Dhruba Adhikari
@acpmasquerade · Product Director, Picovico
@frassmith @_jacksmith What could be the claims Apple lawyers would rant about ?
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Jack Smith
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@acpmasquerade they could say that the sales tagline shouldn't include "a fully-functional Mac", as that's a trademark. They could say that the choice of font-face makes it look like an Apple product. etc.
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Cesare D. Forelli
@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@acpmasquerade mainly two things: OS X licenses requires the installation on Apple hardware (and I believe the workaround from the creator of this product is not to include OS X, albeit the intent is clearly advertised on the website), and most important, the product is advertised as a "fully functional Mac", but Mac is a trademark; no workaround on this, but to change heavily the copy on their website.
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Fraser Smith
@frassmith · Software Developer, Shanghai, China
@acpmasquerade @_jacksmith Well, I would say that claiming to run OS X would be pretty high on the list given that OS X licence agreement likely forbids running the OS on any non Apple platform. (that said, I haven't read the OS C Ts&Cs, have you?) Also, just a personal feeling, I'd think Apple would be seriously pissed off at having its OS associated with such an ugly, dated brick of a machine. My MBP may be 4 years old, but it looks 10 years newer than that brick.
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Dhruba Adhikari
@acpmasquerade · Product Director, Picovico
@cdf1982 second one is very true, and I was sure about that. I couldn't see the first condition mentioned anywhere. Do you have a link where it says MacOS is required to be installed on Apple hardwares only ?
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Jack Smith
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@frassmith The license agreement does forbid it. But there is debate if such a term is legally enforceable. Apple's terms of service also state that jailbreaking iOS isn't allowed - but the courts decided that users should legally be allowed to jailbreak something they've paid for.
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@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@acpmasquerade Here's the SLA for OS X 10.11 http://images.apple.com/legal/sl... : "...you are granted a limited, non- exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple- branded computer at any one time."
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@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@frassmith @acpmasquerade completely agree; I've checked the SLA (see my other answer here) and it forbids it. I'm also sure the case of that HP laptop would piss Apple more than the actual hackintosh itself ;)
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@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@acpmasquerade also, the 3rd line: "For use on Apple-branded Systems"
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Dhruba Adhikari
@acpmasquerade · Product Director, Picovico
@_jacksmith @frassmith Let's say they forbid by their terms. But its easier to claim that the price was in favor of allowing to be installed on their branded hardwares only. If they had to allow to install on other hardwares, the prices could have been even higher. :meh
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Jack Smith
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@acpmasquerade "I've checked the SLA and it forbids it" - per my multiple comments on this: you can shove whatever shit you want in the SLA, it doesn't mean that it's legally enforceable. Apple's SLA also says you can't jailbreak your iPhone, but the courts decided that you can.
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@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@_jacksmith @acpmasquerade well, in this case it's not "whatever shit" in the SLA, it's pretty fundamental since the operating system is the main thing that distinguish a Mac from another PC, so Apple has every right to demand that it's intellectual property, for which you don't pay for and ONLY license according to their terms, is not used on competitor's hardware. Let's just bookmark http://hacbook.com and check if it's still online in a couple of weeks...
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Jack Smith
@_jacksmith · Serial Entrepreneur & Startup Adviser
@cdf1982 iOS and the Apple App Store is also what differentiates an iPhone from an Android. That doesn't enable Apple to stop you jailbreaking your phone and using the Cydia store though. I agree. You're right that it's highly likely this product wont be online in a few weeks, I don't dispute that. I'm just confused why you're so upset about its existence and feel the need to call someone's project that they've worked on 'awful'. It's trending at #1 on product hunt with over 100 upvotes in the few hours that it's been live, so clearly there's an audience that find it to be an interesting product.
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@cdf1982 · Indie developer
@_jacksmith Nobody stops you from installing Windows or Linux on Mac hardware either, because you OWN that hardware... but here we're talking about the opposite. I repeat myself (and then I'll move on from this, honestly we're not going anywhere and usually I don't get involved in pointless online discussions), but it's needed: OS X license and jailbreaking have nothing in common, the legality of the second doesn't legitimize the exploiting of Apple's operating system on third party hardware; while Apple seems to tolerate the "indie" approach to hackintoshes, sure this won't pass, and I feel sorry for the creator, because a letter from Apple Legal will be much worse than my "awful as expected" (which referred to the ugliness of seeing OS X running on such a bad-looking laptop) comment.
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Jp Valery
@jpvalery · Product Manager @ Gameloft
@cdf1982 If you feel that the product doesn't belong here, just flag it :) It seems that you and Jack will never agree :)
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Shai Alon
@shai_alon · Maker of Bots, apps and more...
@acpmasquerade @frassmith @_jacksmith Trademark infringement Software piracy to name a couple.
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