Comments on post “Elysium Health”
Kumar Thangudu
@datarade · 2X Saas Founder + Angel Investor
Elysium Health is claiming to be more scientific than other supplements companies, but they are selling their products before doing the trials.
This is a Nootrobox clone. Look at the team pedigree. Probably nice dudes, but they have no place in
biochemistry. They'll never subject themselves to actual scientific scrutiny, because they know the entirety of the scientific community would lambast them. Nobel Laureautes is a red flag for false proxies in biochemistry.
They recruited a subpar scientist just for marketing purposes.
This MIT Leonard P. Guarente guy has a nearly 20 year history of bad runs at labs. Have a look here: http://science.sciencemag.org/co...
A study on worms can not be translated to humans...even mouse studies dont translate...even chimp studies don't translate. But they are a needed stepping stone. If these companies are spouting that they are being more scientific and believe what they are selling then they should get the proof first...just like real drug companies that have to get FDA approval to make their claims.
It’s likely that some of these supplements have minor but perceptible effects and in synergy they have measurable effects, but bypassing the FDA to demonstrate this is not the way to go (the FDA also needs to modify its criteria for efficacy, but that’s another discussion).
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Chris
@coolbearcjs · CEO
@datarade Why so much hate for a team that has failed in the past...Failure is a great teacher and not a sign of someone who can never succeed...You seem like you want to hate them because they are going into the same space as your pet company Nootrobox which is fine yet let these guys deliver a product and test it out before you hammer them so hard with such venom...I for one will wait and see what they deliver...
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Avery Haskell
@averyhaskell · Stanford Computer Science
@datarade They raised 20 million from top decile VC'S. Hence, they're legit
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Tyler Hayes
@thetylerhayes · Bebo
@coolbearcjs @datarade Kumar's feedback style isn't for everyone, especially here at PH where we try to be constructive and supportive even in disappointment and criticism, but his logic is sound. I have a neuroscience degree, and in my experience following Kumar he knows more than enough to speak with authority here.
There's also a big difference between failing to try and failing to succeed. You can fail to succeed, and good on you. Failing to try is not ok in startups because you're playing with people's time and money. In hard sciences like biology and neuroscience when you fail to try—specifically, fail to even do basic accepted scientific practice (let alone legal practice like getting approved by the FDA)—you're playing with people's health and lives.
There is a higher bar in science for a reason.
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Kumar Thangudu
@datarade · 2X Saas Founder + Angel Investor
@averyhaskell That's so false. I can provide multiple examples:
Nootrobox - it wouldn't pass a basic litmus test of scientific experts/researchers. - funded by A16Z
Lumosity - Fundedy by MenloVentures. It is mostly bad science.
I understand your desire to continue defending other Stanford CS majors, I imagine it helps your cause, but please understand it could have harmful effects upon consumers.
I would fight anti-vaxxers tooth and nail, I'll also do the same to these quacks. They're welcome to come out and call me out on my BS, if I'm actually full of BS. I'm totally okay with that, but the reality is that, they won't, because they cannot honestly stand behind the data they're extrapolating into claims.
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Avery Haskell
@averyhaskell · Stanford Computer Science
@datarade Theranos though. Sorry that science is slower than business creation
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kurt braget
@kurtybot · developer, entrepreneur
@datarade i would be interested in what the founder's response is to this, seems like a legitimate concern.
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