Jeremy Burge

Jeremy Burge

Founder of Emojipedia & Member Unicode Emoji Subcommittee

THIS CHAT HAPPENED ON May 04, 2017

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Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
👋🏻👨🏻‍💻❗️ I’m Jeremy Burge, founder of 📙 Emojipedia and host of the 🎙 Emoji Wrap podcast. I’ve spent four years documenting 📲 emoji releases from major vendors, and tracking emoji updates 📝 in the Unicode Standard. If you have an emoji question, or a question about Emojipedia itself, there is a good chance I can answer it. 🙋 Ask away! UPDATE: Thanks everyone, this has been fun. Sorry I didn't get to every question, but thank you to everyone who joined. In the words of Jerry Springer, be kind to one another 💕🙇
Ben Tossell
Ben Tossell@bentossell · Makerpad.co
Can you describe a typical day in the life using only emoji? Here's mine: 🛌 😴 😪 🚿 👕 👖 🍳 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 🏃 🍽 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 💻 📞 🍽 💻 📚 🎧 🛌 Or some variation of that...
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@bentossell Sorry about running to your empty plate for lunch, Ben! 🏃 🍽 A fairly usual day looks a bit more like this: 🛌⏰🐦🍌🚲🏢🥐/🥑/🍳👨🏻‍💻👨🏻‍💻👨🏻‍💻🚶🏻🍴👨🏻‍💻📲💬📻👨🏻‍💻🚲🍻🚲🍕 Bonus round: here is the day in the life of a cat: 😾😾😾😾🍛😺😼😾😾😾😽😾😾😾😾😾😾😾😾
Niv Dror
Niv Dror@nivo0o0 · VC at Shrug Capital
As emojis increase in utility/importance in every day language, the difference between Apple's design, and Android, Gmail, Twitter, etc. are also quite confusing (i.e. we don't use certain emojis in the Product Hunt Digest because it will look different for everyone) and texting people on Android is a whole different story... 😅 Not to make this a Android vs. iOS thing (I like Android!) but Apple's emoji clearly look better / communicate what you're trying to say in the clearest manner. ✌️ Question: What would need to happen for everyone to adopt Apple's emoji design? 🤔
Tristan Isham
Tristan Isham@tristanisham · #MakeItBettr
@nivo0o0 Followup @jeremyburge What is your favorite emoji design across all devices and platforms? Least favorite? Personally I'm a fan of Twitter and Facebook Messenger's. I can't stand Android's though.
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@nivo0o0 The main thing holding back everyone using Apple emojis could be the potential legality of it all. While many of us tend to think of emojis like they are an open standard, the images in each font still belong to their respective vendors: Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. What’s unclear is whether apps like WhatsApp (which uses Apple emoji images embedded in the app on Android) have any form of permission or licensing from Apple to do this. My guess is that Apple may have a beef if Google or Samsung decided to do this same thing at an OS level. I wrote a bit about the legality of emoji ownership here: http://blog.emojipedia.org/who-o... Second-best shot at consistent cross-platform emoji images: if everyone adopted an open source set, like Twemoji: http://emojipedia.org/twitter/
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@tristanisham @nivo0o0 I'm most familiar with iOS, so to me those feel like what I want to be sending. It's not without its issues, though. We all give Samsung a hard time, but their animals are super cute http://emojipedia.org/samsung/ Runner up: Messenger has a beautiful set, but a little hard to see what's going on at small sizes 🔍
Ryan Hoover
Ryan Hoover@rrhoover · Founder, Product Hunt
If you were stuck 🔛 🅰️ 🐪 🌴 and could only bring 1️⃣ emoji with you, which 1️⃣ would you choose? 🤔
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@rrhoover 🙃 is the swiss army knife of emojis. It can mean anything. If limited to one, I would pack 💼 this 🙃
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@rrhoover PS: there is literally a desert island emoji 🏝 how cool is that! http://emojipedia.org/desert-isl...
Kunal Roy
Kunal Roy@kunalroy · Developer
What's The next Big thing in Emoji World ?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@kunalroy Big thing now: More inclusivity. There are three gender inclusive emojis coming out this year (child, adult, older-adult) and potentially more to come (eg non-gendered 👮 police officer, or 🏃‍♀️ runner). It's not yet clear the scope of this - whether *every character* will get a gender inclusive version or not. More to be discussed next week. Next Big Thing: Unicode has stated a long term goal of completely customizable emojis. It’s not clear how that would or could work, but proposals have been made. That would be a big change compared to how emoji support works now.
Marc Bodnick
Marc Bodnick@marcbodnick · Chairman, Telepath
Why are Gmail's emoji so bad?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@marcbodnick I quite like the little gumdrops! Gmail and Hangouts both use the Google-designed emoji set used on Android which are a big step up over Gmail's older 16x16px icons. Personally, I prefer platform-native emojis over apps to sites replacing their own images.
Emily Snowdon (née Hodgins)
Emily Snowdon (née Hodgins)@emilyjsnowdon · Operations @ Product Hunt
Do you think we could enter into a world of only communicating via emoji in the near future?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@ems_hodge Emoji-only communication is near impossible without context in my experience. Matt Gray and Tom Scott setup an “emoji only social network” called Emojli a few years back and yes I signed up and yes it was near impossible to have conversations that went anywhere 🤣 I think I asked someone "🍕❓" and they said 👍 In a more limited scope, emoji-only chat can work well for fun or creative endeavours - eg guess the movie 🎬
Niv Dror
Niv Dror@nivo0o0 · VC at Shrug Capital
Hey Jeremy, saw your recent TEDx talk! The history of emojis is super interesting, and its fascinating to think of how indispensable emojis have become in the last 10 years. Emojis are our modern "universal language" but aren't taken very seriously just yet, it seems like. Do you see emoji classes ever becoming part of the required curriculum at schools in a few years' time? 🤔
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@nivo0o0 Emojis seem to have done more to replace “internet speak” (lol) and text emoticons :-) than other parts of language. Some great stats on this from Instagram 👉 https://engineering.instagram.co... I don’t know about you, but I didn’t get any classes into how to lol correctly so probably won't get classes on how to 🤣 either. I think the internet will be a better resource here 🙃
Gary Torres
Gary Torres@gary_torres · Software developer
Do you have plans of opening an API? It would be interesting to see what developers come up to by connecting their products with emojipedia.
Jon Roig
Jon Roig@jonroig · Developer, i❤️.ws
@gary_torres I'm also interested in this...
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@jonroig @gary_torres Good question! We have an API was open briefly - and still serves DuckDuckGo with its emoji searches today. If you search any emoji on DuckDuckGo it will show an image, name, snippet of description and a link to read more from Emojipedia. Check it out here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%F0%9F... The reason this is currently closed to new applications is just a matter of priorities. Every minute we’re spending working on the API means a minute less on the site itself. I’d love to see this open again in future, but don’t have any promises or timeframe on it! 🤞🤐
Adam Pokornicky
Adam Pokornicky@callmethebear · Managing Partner, Cryptochain Capital
When can we expect to see emojis for Bitcoin? Also, why why why why why why did you make the terrifying clown emoji? 🤡
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@callmethebear There have been proposals on making Bitcoin a Unicode character dating back to around 2011. Some issues existed around the fact that the Bitcoin symbol is a logo, and logos aren't permitted in Unicode. I believe these were overcome, and Bitcoin symbol could be on its way. Not as an emoji though. This would be as a regular glyph like £$€&§
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@callmethebear 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 <- you can thank Yahoo for the clown. It was added for compatibility with Yahoo Messenger in Unicode 9.0
Adam Pokornicky
Adam Pokornicky@callmethebear · Managing Partner, Cryptochain Capital
@jeremyburge lol. Yahoo messenger. Is that a real thing?!?
Gideon Hod
Gideon Hod@ghod · Marketplace Product
Slack and Slack alternatives have blessed our lives with the :partyparrot: emoji. Are you aware of the party parrot? Will you consider adding a party parrot emoji?
Niv Dror
Niv Dror@nivo0o0 · VC at Shrug Capital
@ghod :partyparrot: emoji plzzzz 😬🎉
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@nivo0o0 @ghod I feel :partyparrot: would lose all meaning without the animation. A regular parrot on the other hand, would make a good pair with 🎉
Gideon Hod
Gideon Hod@ghod · Marketplace Product
@jeremyburge @nivo0o0 Are you saying animated emojis are the future? 🙀🤔
JB
JB@jay_bee12345 · Founder
New Business Proposal: Clickable "Amazon Dash Button" Emojis -This way these specific new emojis have a amazon product webpage associated with them. For fun and functionality, assign specific existing emojis as command lines for links to associated amazon products webpages: Ideally these new amazon product page assignments to emojis will be transferrable among Slack & All Forums (FB & TWT).
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@jay_bee12345 I don't know what to say about this. I am confused how it is quicker, but it could be fun. Like how Yelp links certain emojis to certain food types.
JB
JB@jay_bee12345 · Founder
@jeremyburge Sorry for the confusion... To clarify: This will allow people to recommend products for each other via emoji... Another form of self expression between parties involving Amazon products! ...It's a bit quicker to have an accessible library of products right in your emoji library rather than having to search engine the product link. Thanks for taking the time.. Best regards.
Alexia Moore
Alexia Moore@alexiaa · Co-founder
Hi Jeremy, I've implemented emojis in my app using the native OS emoji characters. I get a lot of complaints from Windows users that they don't like the look of the emojis. Especially for some of the common smileys: 😃 (which looks like it has a milk mustache in Windows) and 😀 (very toothy grin on Windows). I'd rather use the native emojis instead of replacement images, but I can see why users are frustrated. Do you know if there are plans in the works at MS to improve Windows 10 emojis design?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@alexiaa Absolutely, I know that's a common complaint from people on many non-iOS platforms. Microsoft have been pretty responsive to changing emoji designs recently. With a large overhaul in 2016, and a lot of small tweaks in Creators Update last month too: http://blog.emojipedia.org/windo... I don't know of specific plans from Microsoft and what they plan to do in future, but it seems clear that they at least want to keep improving their designs to make them clearer which is a positive sign.
Joacim Westlund
Joacim Westlund@joacimwe · I dream of shortcuts.
Why so many train emojis? 🚟🚃🚋🚞🚝🚄🚅🚈🚂🚆🚇🚊🚉
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@joacimwe Many of the original emojis from Japan were used for information purposes: trains (for timetable info), weather, map icons, etc. I'm not entirely sure why every train type needed to be there originally - but they all made it to Unicode for backward compatibility. Train track came later, from Webdings: 🛤
Josh Robbins
Josh Robbins@josh_robbins · HIV Activist & TEDx Speaker
Think the 🎗will even be able to switch colors for a variety of causes like skin shades do 🤘🤘🏻🤘🏽🤘🏿? That would be 🔥💯!
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@imstilljosh A proposal has been made for colour swatches in Unicode. These would have been able to join in sequence with any other emoji to create all kinds of coloured combinations. This didn't pass - but it definitely would be great as an end-user. I've no doubt it could get tricky, quickly, trying to implement this though! Eg: 🍷 white wine, red wine - what about the other colours? What to do with a pink person, or a purple traffic light? 🚦
Josh Robbins
Josh Robbins@josh_robbins · HIV Activist & TEDx Speaker
@jeremyburge true... I just wish it was a red 🎗for HIV awareness haha! Thanks for the reply. I did support the Unicode + https://twitter.com/unicode/stat...
Federico Schiano di Pepe
Federico Schiano di Pepe@fedesdp · CEO at CoContest Inc.
Hi Jeremy, What your favorite emoji? Your top five!
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@fedesdp Monkeys are the most expressive: 🙈🙉🙊 but I am very partial to an emoji fistbump 🤜 (because you can bump back)
Federico Schiano di Pepe
Federico Schiano di Pepe@fedesdp · CEO at CoContest Inc.
@jeremyburge Thanks! 🤜 😃 😃 😃 😃
Edwin Wee
Edwin Wee@edwinwee · Stripe
What are Unicode meetings like (specifically the Emoji Subcommittee ones)?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@edwinwee Emoji Subcommittee meetings are (sorry to say) just like any other meetings you would be involved in! For an idea of the type of work that comes out of them, here's a quarterly report that is published prior to a UTC meeting: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/...
Jon Roig
Jon Roig@jonroig · Developer, i❤️.ws
What's the stack of Emojipedia look like?
Jon Roig
Jon Roig@jonroig · Developer, i❤️.ws
What's your background in all this? Like... how did you begin the Emojipedia project and how do you measure its success?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@jonroig The first Emojipedia was a WordPress site I made after a few drinks 🍻 I don't take any credit for it being a genius idea, but it was clear that it should exist - so I made it! If you want to look up something about an emoji and can find it on Emojipedia, I view that as a success.
Adam C. Engst
Adam C. Engst@adamengst · Publisher of TidBITS
What does it say about the future of communication and literacy that emoji are as popular as they are, but lack consistent representation and meaning? Are we turning electronic communication into something that's not even at the level of a pidgin language? Or is the use of emoji more like an illuminated manuscript?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@adamengst The lack of consistency makes emoji hard to use as any kind of character of record. Notably the platform needs to be known to infer anything about someone's intent. So while they do make day to day communications easier overall (IMO) they probably aren't going to hold up well when trying to infer meaning in 1,000 years.
Adam C. Engst
Adam C. Engst@adamengst · Publisher of TidBITS
@jeremyburge I guess I fail to see how they make communications "easier" in any way. They might make written communication slightly richer by adding both literal and semantic "color" (just as the original emoticons did), but anytime you have to go searching for an emoji that matches some thought you want to communicate, it's inherently harder. I'd also argue that time is the least of the concerns with emoji meaning — much more significant is the fact that they're largely nouns. Verb forms must usually be inferred, and providing any additional meaning (person, tense, etc) is likely impossible to convey.
Sam Evans
Sam Evans@samueljevans
Hi, Jeremy! Do you think that emoji domain names will go mainstream? http://fortune.com/2016/10/29/go...
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@samueljevans Emoji domains are pretty good for print ads - so I can definitely see the value in remembering "orange book emoji dot la" (that's our short URL — http://📙.la ) - but given how many appearances an emoji has, I don't see them replacing regular domains. A handy and fun addition for certain use-cases is how I'd view them
Sarah Evans
Sarah Evans@prsarahevans · Digital correspondent and consultant
What will it take to make emoji be taken "seriously?" It's a legitimate form of communication, no longer just cute symbols.
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@prsarahevans There will always be those who want to keep a language "pure" and those who like new things. As long as you are using emoji consensually I don't see any issues with who takes it seriously or not 😜
Adam C. Engst
Adam C. Engst@adamengst · Publisher of TidBITS
@prsarahevans Legitimate isn't the question; the problem with emoji is that they're an incredibly limited and low-bandwidth form of communication. Try to express your question and statement above in emoji, show it to someone, and ask them what you meant.
Krissy Lloyd
Krissy Lloyd@krissy_lloyd
Hi Jeremy! So I have two questions 🙋🏻. First, when is a mermaid emoji coming for iPhones?? Second, what are your top 3 emojis you want to get added? 😀
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@klloyd74 A new Unicode character "Merperson" is in Emoji 5.0. That needs Unicode 10 to come out which happens in June. Sequences exist for a Mermaid and Merman, using the Merperson base character. We should see these on iOS 📲 in the second half of this year. 👆 Not confirmed by 🍏 Apple - that's just their usual timeframe! Here's the entry for Merperson on Emojipedia http://emojipedia.org/merperson/
Krissy Lloyd
Krissy Lloyd@krissy_lloyd
@jeremyburge Awesome, thanks for sharing. Also, I have to ask, what are your TOP 3 emojis you want to get added??? 😀
What was the motivation behind freezing the Emoji 5.0 repertoire before the beta review period ended, before the final UTC meeting in May, and before WG2 had any chance to properly present their feedback on character names etc.? Did nobody anticipate that this was inevitably going to lead to problems that are now effectively unfixable?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@random_guy_32 I believe the reason was to give vendors suitable time to work on their implementations. The emoji list being more flexible than the Unicode characters should mean the ability to revise faster too — eg 5.0 is final, but a 5.1 or 6.0 list could be released well before Unicode 11.0 if additional sequences are to be added.
@jeremyburge Wait, so is the actual set of character additions fixed or not? Is it still possible to rename/remove/relocate Unicode 10 characters?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
Emoji 5.0 character list is final. But if additional sequences are required that don't need new Unicode characters, I don't see why a 5.1 or 6.0 couldn't be released later in the year. Re: the Unicode 10 characters themselves, I'm not sure the exact status on that. Sorry!
Emerson Dameron
Emerson Dameron@emersondameron · Levity saves lives
Are there any linguists or hieroglyphics scholars doing interesting work about emoji?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@emersondameron Many! We just linked to this from Gretchen McCulloch today: https://twitter.com/gretchenamcc...
Helen Luna Fess
Helen Luna Fess@helen_luna_fess · Hawaii Haole
I love parrots, hang out with other bird lovers, and Audobon minded people . Simple request...I wish you "lead birds" would add a macaw emoji . Its universe in appeal. 🦉And smart
Marcos Carvalho Jr.
Marcos Carvalho Jr.@marcos_carvalho_jr_
Hey, Jeremy! I interviewed a father whose communication w/ his daughter is almost 100% emojis... And he told me that, somehow, this is a connection with her childhood (when he was not present) and the chats history is comforting for him to know he's doing it right now. Would you say the emojis are getting a bigger proportion in people lives than its initial proposal? Thanks!
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@marcos_carvalho_jr_ I do believe emojis are more widespread now than anyone outside of Japan imagined. Those in Japan probably knew all this well before the rest of us did though 🎌
Steven Glick
Steven Glick@steven_glick
What are your thoughts on emoji domain names? Know of any success stories of their use so far?
Tristan Isham
Tristan Isham@tristanisham · #MakeItBettr
Hey Jeremy, How do you see emoji being implemented into web design languages in the future?
Jeremy Bauer
Jeremy Bauer@barnabybones · Writer + Arts Instructional Designer
I've been trying to (slowly) incorporate emojis into my team's work. Though I'm not sure how successful it is yet, one thing we're trying out is including emojis in our support documentation titles to give quick visual cues on the overall functions covered in each article. Example: https://cl.ly/101w0M2H0c0Q What are the more surprising or innovative uses you've seen for emojis? Or even some of the more practical use cases you've seen or would like to see?
Tristan Isham
Tristan Isham@tristanisham · #MakeItBettr
What got you so interested in emoji? What was your inspiration for Emojipedia, and what're your future plans for the site/emojidom?
Kenny Batista
Kenny Batista@kennybatista · Product Designer & Developer
What thoughts come to your mind when you hear “ Emoji & Virtual Reality ” ?
JB
JB@jay_bee12345 · Founder
New Idea: "Sign Language Emojis" for the hearing impaired to communicate online with a language they are familiar with. Is this really new? Thoughts? Thanks for the great work. Jaswinder Brar.
Are there any existing Unicode characters that you would like to see as emoji?
Jeremy Burge
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge · Founder, Emojipedia
@random_guy_32 I know it's quite arbitrary, but the infinity symbol ∞ seems like a useful emoji addition to me. Though I am aware that there are so many symbols out there, that making an emoji version doesn't make much objective sense. A chess emoji would be good, but hard to choose only a single piece to represent. My proposal to emojify *all* the pieces did not get up!