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Jeremy Burge

Founder of Emojipedia & Member Unicode Emoji Subcommittee

THIS CHAT HAPPENED ON May 04, 2017

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Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘จ๐Ÿปโ€๐Ÿ’ปโ—๏ธ Iโ€™m Jeremy Burge, founder of ๐Ÿ“™ Emojipedia and host of the ๐ŸŽ™ Emoji Wrap podcast. Iโ€™ve spent four years documenting ๐Ÿ“ฒ emoji releases from major vendors, and tracking emoji updates ๐Ÿ“ in the Unicode Standard. If you have an emoji question, or a question about Emojipedia itself, there is a good chance I can answer it. ๐Ÿ™‹ Ask away! UPDATE: Thanks everyone, this has been fun. Sorry I didn't get to every question, but thank you to everyone who joined. In the words of Jerry Springer, be kind to one another ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ™‡
Ben Tossell@bentossell ยท Community Lead, Product Hunt
Can you describe a typical day in the life using only emoji? Here's mine: ๐Ÿ›Œ ๐Ÿ˜ด ๐Ÿ˜ช ๐Ÿšฟ ๐Ÿ‘• ๐Ÿ‘– ๐Ÿณ ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿƒ ๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ“ž ๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿ’ป ๐Ÿ“š ๐ŸŽง ๐Ÿ›Œ Or some variation of that...
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@bentossell Sorry about running to your empty plate for lunch, Ben! ๐Ÿƒ ๐Ÿฝ A fairly usual day looks a bit more like this: ๐Ÿ›Œโฐ๐Ÿฆ๐ŸŒ๐Ÿšฒ๐Ÿข๐Ÿฅ/๐Ÿฅ‘/๐Ÿณ๐Ÿ‘จ๐Ÿปโ€๐Ÿ’ป๐Ÿ‘จ๐Ÿปโ€๐Ÿ’ป๐Ÿ‘จ๐Ÿปโ€๐Ÿ’ป๐Ÿšถ๐Ÿป๐Ÿด๐Ÿ‘จ๐Ÿปโ€๐Ÿ’ป๐Ÿ“ฒ๐Ÿ’ฌ๐Ÿ“ป๐Ÿ‘จ๐Ÿปโ€๐Ÿ’ป๐Ÿšฒ๐Ÿป๐Ÿšฒ๐Ÿ• Bonus round: here is the day in the life of a cat: ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ›๐Ÿ˜บ๐Ÿ˜ผ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜ฝ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ๐Ÿ˜พ
Niv Dror@nivo0o0 ยท Writer/Social Editor @ProductHunt
As emojis increase in utility/importance in every day language, the difference between Apple's design, and Android, Gmail, Twitter, etc. are also quite confusing (i.e. we don't use certain emojis in the Product Hunt Digest because it will look different for everyone) and texting people on Android is a whole different story... ๐Ÿ˜… Not to make this a Android vs. iOS thing (I like Android!) but Apple's emoji clearly look better / communicate what you're trying to say in the clearest manner. โœŒ๏ธ Question: What would need to happen for everyone to adopt Apple's emoji design? ๐Ÿค”
Tristan Isham@tristanisham ยท Marketing @ American Greetings
@nivo0o0 Followup @jeremyburge What is your favorite emoji design across all devices and platforms? Least favorite? Personally I'm a fan of Twitter and Facebook Messenger's. I can't stand Android's though.
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@nivo0o0 The main thing holding back everyone using Apple emojis could be the potential legality of it all. While many of us tend to think of emojis like they are an open standard, the images in each font still belong to their respective vendors: Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. Whatโ€™s unclear is whether apps like WhatsApp (which uses Apple emoji images embedded in the app on Android) have any form of permission or licensing from Apple to do this. My guess is that Apple may have a beef if Google or Samsung decided to do this same thing at an OS level. I wrote a bit about the legality of emoji ownership here: http://blog.emojipedia.org/who-o... Second-best shot at consistent cross-platform emoji images: if everyone adopted an open source set, like Twemoji: http://emojipedia.org/twitter/
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@tristanisham @nivo0o0 I'm most familiar with iOS, so to me those feel like what I want to be sending. It's not without its issues, though. We all give Samsung a hard time, but their animals are super cute http://emojipedia.org/samsung/ Runner up: Messenger has a beautiful set, but a little hard to see what's going on at small sizes ๐Ÿ”
Ryan Hoover@rrhoover ยท Founder, Product Hunt
If you were stuck ๐Ÿ”› ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ ๐Ÿช ๐ŸŒด and could only bring 1๏ธโƒฃ emoji with you, which 1๏ธโƒฃ would you choose? ๐Ÿค”
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@rrhoover ๐Ÿ™ƒ is the swiss army knife of emojis. It can mean anything. If limited to one, I would pack ๐Ÿ’ผ this ๐Ÿ™ƒ
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@rrhoover PS: there is literally a desert island emoji ๐Ÿ how cool is that! http://emojipedia.org/desert-isl...
Kunal Roy@kunalroy ยท Developer
What's The next Big thing in Emoji World ?
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@kunalroy Big thing now: More inclusivity. There are three gender inclusive emojis coming out this year (child, adult, older-adult) and potentially more to come (eg non-gendered ๐Ÿ‘ฎ police officer, or ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ runner). It's not yet clear the scope of this - whether *every character* will get a gender inclusive version or not. More to be discussed next week. Next Big Thing: Unicode has stated a long term goal of completely customizable emojis. Itโ€™s not clear how that would or could work, but proposals have been made. That would be a big change compared to how emoji support works now.
Marc Bodnick@marcbodnick ยท Quora
Why are Gmail's emoji so bad?
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@marcbodnick I quite like the little gumdrops! Gmail and Hangouts both use the Google-designed emoji set used on Android which are a big step up over Gmail's older 16x16px icons. Personally, I prefer platform-native emojis over apps to sites replacing their own images.
Emily Hodgins@ems_hodge ยท Community and Marketing, Product Hunt
Do you think we could enter into a world of only communicating via emoji in the near future?
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@ems_hodge Emoji-only communication is near impossible without context in my experience. Matt Gray and Tom Scott setup an โ€œemoji only social networkโ€ called Emojli a few years back and yes I signed up and yes it was near impossible to have conversations that went anywhere ๐Ÿคฃ I think I asked someone "๐Ÿ•โ“" and they said ๐Ÿ‘ In a more limited scope, emoji-only chat can work well for fun or creative endeavours - eg guess the movie ๐ŸŽฌ
Niv Dror@nivo0o0 ยท Writer/Social Editor @ProductHunt
Hey Jeremy, saw your recent TEDx talk! The history of emojis is super interesting, and its fascinating to think of how indispensable emojis have become in the last 10 years. Emojis are our modern "universal language" but aren't taken very seriously just yet, it seems like. Do you see emoji classes ever becoming part of the required curriculum at schools in a few years' time? ๐Ÿค”
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@nivo0o0 Emojis seem to have done more to replace โ€œinternet speakโ€ (lol) and text emoticons :-) than other parts of language. Some great stats on this from Instagram ๐Ÿ‘‰ https://engineering.instagram.co... I donโ€™t know about you, but I didnโ€™t get any classes into how to lol correctly so probably won't get classes on how to ๐Ÿคฃ either. I think the internet will be a better resource here ๐Ÿ™ƒ
Gary Torres@gary_torres ยท Software developer
Do you have plans of opening an API? It would be interesting to see what developers come up to by connecting their products with emojipedia.
Jon Roig@jonroig ยท Chief Scientist, iโค๏ธ.ws
@gary_torres I'm also interested in this...
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@jonroig @gary_torres Good question! We have an API was open briefly - and still serves DuckDuckGo with its emoji searches today. If you search any emoji on DuckDuckGo it will show an image, name, snippet of description and a link to read more from Emojipedia. Check it out here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%F0%9F... The reason this is currently closed to new applications is just a matter of priorities. Every minute weโ€™re spending working on the API means a minute less on the site itself. Iโ€™d love to see this open again in future, but donโ€™t have any promises or timeframe on it! ๐Ÿคž๐Ÿค
Adam Pokornicky@callmethebear ยท CEO, DoggyBnB & Sniffer
When can we expect to see emojis for Bitcoin? Also, why why why why why why did you make the terrifying clown emoji? ๐Ÿคก
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@callmethebear There have been proposals on making Bitcoin a Unicode character dating back to around 2011. Some issues existed around the fact that the Bitcoin symbol is a logo, and logos aren't permitted in Unicode. I believe these were overcome, and Bitcoin symbol could be on its way. Not as an emoji though. This would be as a regular glyph like ยฃ$โ‚ฌ&ยง
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@callmethebear ๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก <- you can thank Yahoo for the clown. It was added for compatibility with Yahoo Messenger in Unicode 9.0
Adam Pokornicky@callmethebear ยท CEO, DoggyBnB & Sniffer
@jeremyburge lol. Yahoo messenger. Is that a real thing?!?
Gideon Hod@ghod ยท Marketplace Product
Slack and Slack alternatives have blessed our lives with the :partyparrot: emoji. Are you aware of the party parrot? Will you consider adding a party parrot emoji?
Niv Dror@nivo0o0 ยท Writer/Social Editor @ProductHunt
@ghod :partyparrot: emoji plzzzz ๐Ÿ˜ฌ๐ŸŽ‰
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@nivo0o0 @ghod I feel :partyparrot: would lose all meaning without the animation. A regular parrot on the other hand, would make a good pair with ๐ŸŽ‰
Gideon Hod@ghod ยท Marketplace Product
@jeremyburge @nivo0o0 Are you saying animated emojis are the future? ๐Ÿ™€๐Ÿค”
JB@jay_bee12345 ยท Founder
New Business Proposal: Clickable "Amazon Dash Button" Emojis -This way these specific new emojis have a amazon product webpage associated with them. For fun and functionality, assign specific existing emojis as command lines for links to associated amazon products webpages: Ideally these new amazon product page assignments to emojis will be transferrable among Slack & All Forums (FB & TWT).
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@jay_bee12345 I don't know what to say about this. I am confused how it is quicker, but it could be fun. Like how Yelp links certain emojis to certain food types.
JB@jay_bee12345 ยท Founder
@jeremyburge Sorry for the confusion... To clarify: This will allow people to recommend products for each other via emoji... Another form of self expression between parties involving Amazon products! ...It's a bit quicker to have an accessible library of products right in your emoji library rather than having to search engine the product link. Thanks for taking the time.. Best regards.
Alexia Moore@alexiaa ยท Co-founder, Forumbee
Hi Jeremy, I've implemented emojis in my app using the native OS emoji characters. I get a lot of complaints from Windows users that they don't like the look of the emojis. Especially for some of the common smileys: ๐Ÿ˜ƒ (which looks like it has a milk mustache in Windows) and ๐Ÿ˜€ (very toothy grin on Windows). I'd rather use the native emojis instead of replacement images, but I can see why users are frustrated. Do you know if there are plans in the works at MS to improve Windows 10 emojis design?
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@alexiaa Absolutely, I know that's a common complaint from people on many non-iOS platforms. Microsoft have been pretty responsive to changing emoji designs recently. With a large overhaul in 2016, and a lot of small tweaks in Creators Update last month too: http://blog.emojipedia.org/windo... I don't know of specific plans from Microsoft and what they plan to do in future, but it seems clear that they at least want to keep improving their designs to make them clearer which is a positive sign.
Joacim Westlund@joacimwe ยท I dream of shortcuts.
Why so many train emojis? ๐ŸšŸ๐Ÿšƒ๐Ÿš‹๐Ÿšž๐Ÿš๐Ÿš„๐Ÿš…๐Ÿšˆ๐Ÿš‚๐Ÿš†๐Ÿš‡๐ŸšŠ๐Ÿš‰
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@joacimwe Many of the original emojis from Japan were used for information purposes: trains (for timetable info), weather, map icons, etc. I'm not entirely sure why every train type needed to be there originally - but they all made it to Unicode for backward compatibility. Train track came later, from Webdings: ๐Ÿ›ค
Josh Robbins@josh_robbins
Think the ๐ŸŽ—will even be able to switch colors for a variety of causes like skin shades do ๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿป๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿฟ? That would be ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ!
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@imstilljosh A proposal has been made for colour swatches in Unicode. These would have been able to join in sequence with any other emoji to create all kinds of coloured combinations. This didn't pass - but it definitely would be great as an end-user. I've no doubt it could get tricky, quickly, trying to implement this though! Eg: ๐Ÿท white wine, red wine - what about the other colours? What to do with a pink person, or a purple traffic light? ๐Ÿšฆ
Josh Robbins@josh_robbins
@jeremyburge true... I just wish it was a red ๐ŸŽ—for HIV awareness haha! Thanks for the reply. I did support the Unicode + https://twitter.com/unicode/stat...
Federico Schiano di Pepe@fedesdp ยท Ceo CoContest
Hi Jeremy, What your favorite emoji? Your top five!
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@fedesdp Monkeys are the most expressive: ๐Ÿ™ˆ๐Ÿ™‰๐Ÿ™Š but I am very partial to an emoji fistbump ๐Ÿคœ (because you can bump back)
Federico Schiano di Pepe@fedesdp ยท Ceo CoContest
@jeremyburge Thanks! ๐Ÿคœ ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
Edwin Wee@edwinwee ยท Stripe
What are Unicode meetings like (specifically the Emoji Subcommittee ones)?
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@edwinwee Emoji Subcommittee meetings are (sorry to say) just like any other meetings you would be involved in! For an idea of the type of work that comes out of them, here's a quarterly report that is published prior to a UTC meeting: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/...
Jon Roig@jonroig ยท Chief Scientist, iโค๏ธ.ws
What's the stack of Emojipedia look like?
Jon Roig@jonroig ยท Chief Scientist, iโค๏ธ.ws
What's your background in all this? Like... how did you begin the Emojipedia project and how do you measure its success?
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@jonroig The first Emojipedia was a WordPress site I made after a few drinks ๐Ÿป I don't take any credit for it being a genius idea, but it was clear that it should exist - so I made it! If you want to look up something about an emoji and can find it on Emojipedia, I view that as a success.
Adam C. Engst@adamengst ยท Publisher of TidBITS
What does it say about the future of communication and literacy that emoji are as popular as they are, but lack consistent representation and meaning? Are we turning electronic communication into something that's not even at the level of a pidgin language? Or is the use of emoji more like an illuminated manuscript?
Jeremy Burge@jeremyburge ยท Founder, Emojipedia
@adamengst The lack of consistency makes emoji hard to use as any kind of character of record. Notably the platform needs to be known to infer anything about someone's intent. So while they do make day to day communications easier overall (IMO) they probably aren't going to hold up well when trying to infer meaning in 1,000 years.
Adam C. Engst@adamengst ยท Publisher of TidBITS
@jeremyburge I guess I fail to see how they make communications "easier" in any way. They might make written communication slightly richer by adding both literal and semantic "color" (just as the original emoticons did), but anytime you have to go searching for an emoji that matches some thought you want to communicate, it's inherently harder. I'd also argue that time is the least of the concerns with emoji meaning โ€” much more significant is the fact that they're largely nouns. Verb forms must usually be inferred, and providing any additional meaning (person, tense, etc) is likely impossible to convey.