Geoffrey Woo
Founder of Nootrobox
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
Hello! I'm Geoffrey Woo, cofounder & CEO of Nootrobox, a nootropics and biohacking company. Ask me about anything; I'm game. Some fun topics could be about how we created GO CUBES Chewable Coffee, nootropics, winning SXSW this year, working with Andreessen Horowitz, or not eating 36 hours weekly. Or we can talk about why humans are the next platform. http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/18... Or what's it like behind the scenes on Bloomberg West TV. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/vi...
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Hey @geoffreywoo thanks for joining us! Can you talk about how yourself and the team use the RISE pills in the office? Does everyone take them? What benefits do you see? etc.
stephentbiz
@stephentbiz · Founder & CEO @Flipmass
@nivo0o0 @geoffreywoo ^upvote, I'm interested in hearing how you & the team use nootrobox as well :)
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@stephentbiz @nivo0o0 Like many of my favorite Silicon Valley companies, we dogfood our own products. Currently, YAWN, RISE, and GO CUBES are team-wide favorites. We use SPRINT on fasting days when eating GO CUBES would break it. We do cycle off our of our stacks when we have new alpha-stage stacks to test, and we use ourselves as a bit of guinea pigs before we open up to wider beta testing.
This article is a great sneak peek what it's like at Nootrobox: https://www.inverse.com/article/...
In terms of output, we have one of the highest revenue + cultural impact to headcount ratios in Silicon Valley today. And that's a testament to our work ethic and ability to maintain high-quality output. While I don't have hard data to give you (can't really do a placebo-controlled RCT), our results may be able to speak for themselves.
Daniel Lee
@dleesta · Product Manager
Do you view cannabis as a nootropic? When cannabis is legalized, how do you see it impacting the nootropics space?
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@dleesta The term nootropic originated in the 70s when researchers discovered psychoactive compounds (i.e. consumables that modulate one's mental state) with a set of characteristics that weren't covered by classic categories like stimulants or depressants. The distinctive characteristics include learning and memory enhancement, low side effect profiles, and not working through typical stimulant pathways such as caffeine. So in that sense, cannabis in the strictest definitions isn't considered a classic nootropic.
That said, language and science is a living and evolving corpus, and the term nootropic today is colloquially synonymous with 'smart drug' or 'cognitive enhancer.' Cognition is made up of a number of cognitive domains including creativity and curiosity, and there's plenty of anecdotal and some early and somewhat conflicting clinical data on marijuana's effects on creativity and divergent thinking.
I believe it's inevitable that cannabis will be recreationally legal and be regulated much like alcohol, and I'm excited to run rigorous double-blind RCTs on marijuana and its effects on different. Obviously, there's not much to do today beyond theorycrafting while cannabis is still scheduled as an illegal drug by the Feds. But assuming full legalization and that the data backs out that cannabis has unique efficacy on enhancing certain areas of cognitive function, then yes, this would very much be an area of exploration for Nootrobox.
Nate Smoyer
@natesmoyer
Hey Geoffrey. First, GO CUBES are delicious! They are a fantastic post-lunch energy shot.
How much of the current supplement industry is just packaging and marketing? I often compare products and the supposed benefits they provide and see nothing different but the price?
(If you have time for two questions) Did you ever think chewable coffee would offend coffee lovers? I'd have to assume you agree the art and ritual that goes into brewing a delicious cup of coffee can't be replaced by a chewable, so how do you navigate pitching chewables in place of coffee?
Last note: to help offset my purchase of a box of chewables, I was successful in selling 3 packs for $10. Will you consider making that a thing at 7-11's everywhere?
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@natesmoyer Let's not dance around it - the supplements industry has a shady reputation. And as you identified, it is largely due to the fact that most supplements are heavily driven by marketing and packaging. Hence, for some businesses it's become a nuclear arms race to make the boldest, strongest claims, which often end up being misguided at best and fraudulent at worst.
While the FDA has clear guidance for industry, it's probably under-staffed and under-resourced on the enforcement side. I'm optimistic though on this changing for the better. The supplements division of the FDA was upgraded to its own "office" a few months ago, which should mean that they'll have more resources to increase transparency in the market. I've gotten to know many people in this industry (and it's a huge industry where half of all Americans take some sort of supplement every day). In general, they're high integrity folks who have seen all the 'fly-by-night' folks come and go. The only way to build a sustainable business is to be high-quality, high-transparency, and be a straight shooter which we live and die by at Nootrobox.
Protip: always be skeptical of "proprietary blends". It's most often industry speak for "whatever's on the shelf that we have in inventory, let's dump it in and call it 'special'." I believe you should know exactly what you're taking into your body - industry people, list everything explicitly! It's not that hard.
Mike Coutermarsh
@mscccc · Code @ Product Hunt
Hey! I'd be interested in knowing what you eat everyday. Do you "hack"/optimize your own nutrition as well?
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@mscccc I've found intermittent fasting (IF) as a simple and sustainable diet hack. In fact, I started a Slack group around IF called @wefastclub and we have almost 600 people in there now. Read about the science and data behind this concept at www.wefa.st and https://nootrobox.com/biohacker-.... Also, @nitashatiku from Buzzfeed recently wrote a great overview about the fasting and the culture of it here: http://www.buzzfeed.com/nitashat...
I personally do a weekly 36 hour "monk fast." I have my last meal on Monday evening and break fast Wednesday morning. I do it for increasing adult neurogenesis (new neuron growth) and boosting various biomarkers for longevity. At first, not eating for 36 hours every week sucked, but my body quickly adapted within the first 2-3 fasts and Tuesdays are one of my most productive days of the week. I also have a lot more discipline and control over what and how I consume food. Most people snack when they're bored or stressed and not actually hungry. IF helped me break those connections and get clarity on what my body actually wanted. On regular days, I eat a diet of what I imagine would be similar to most somewhat health conscious SF / California natives.
From a societal perspective, arguably the largest, most insidious problem in America today is our own diet. 35.7% of Americans are obese and 68.8% of Americans are overweight according to NIH statistics. Weight is linked to virtually every condition that kills Americans (heart disease, cancer, etc.).
If more of us stopped stuffing our faces with pizza and soda and practiced some discipline with our diet and exercise, we'd literally save millions of lives and save billions of dollars in healthcare costs. This is probably the single easiest societal change we can do with such high impact to cost ratio. And this is aside from all the performance benefits.
Emily Hodgins
@ems_hodge · Community and Marketing, Product Hunt
What was your game plan for SXSW?
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@ems_hodge Before the actual event, we blasted our community with an invitation to come hang out with us in Austin and we worked with our friends at @a16z and @amazon to be highlighted at a number of high-profile parties and events they hosted for the community.
Our whole team headed out to Austin for SXSW with a whole bunch of @gocubes in tow. The key factor that made our SXSW launch a massive success was that we had a genuine presence at the events and that the product spoke for itself. We didn't hire mercs to go push product. It was our core team and our immediate community that stepped up and shared our passion and excitement around GO CUBES. Credit to @bdm_tastemakers, @benigeri, @gavinmbanks and our friends who literally met thousands of people that weekend.
Emily Hodgins
@ems_hodge · Community and Marketing, Product Hunt
As a bit of a nootropics newbie, can you explain a little (in simple terms please!) how they are meant to work?
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@ems_hodge Everything we eat or drink affects our mental and physical state in some way. Alcohol does something, recreational drugs do something, protein powder does something. It stands to reason that there are compounds that enhance your mood and mental state in positive ways. That's what nootropics are. Different nootropics work via different pathways. Some are precursors to neurotransmitters which is how your brain cells communicate, some can increase how fast your neurons grow, some are protective of neurons and other cells.
The human is similar to a computer in a lot of ways. Input helps determine output. We want to optimize your inputs.
Ben Tossell
@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
If you were sentenced to the chair (sorry) and you got to have one last meal but were not allowed any supplements etc. What would you have?
3 courses, you can go all out.
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@bentossell sashimi + oysters platter as a starter, a medium-rare bone-in rib-eye steak with all the fixings for the main, and warm chocolate cake + vanilla ice cream for dessert.
Jacob Anstey
@jacob_anstey2
Are people ever discouraged that your background isn't in biochemistry or psychology, but instead engineering?
I ask, because I'm an economics student, with an interest in biotechnology and chronic illnesses. At the end of the day, I'm a strong believer that a great founder is one that learns quickly (brushes aside his/her ego) and puts together the right experts to deliver quality service and product.
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@jacob_anstey2 Credentials, for better or for worse, are an important signal not just for Nootrobox but for virtually every career. It's reality and it's understandable because credentials are a quick way to get signal amidst the noise. End of the day, knowledge and know-how is what matters and what delivers results.
My engineering / CS training at Stanford taught me to be a good systems thinker, and I've always been a quick learner, so I've been able to grok the immediately relevant areas. But as you hinted at, entrepreneurship is not just being a solo wizard. I'm lucky enough to be working with 3 MD/PhD candidates from world-class institutions and neuroscience, pharmacology, and machine learning backgrounds along with excellent engineering, operations, and marketing professionals.
Ben Tossell
@bentossell · Community Lead, Product Hunt
I know loads of people take supplements but I'm just not convinced they are better than eating actual good food. Im sure there is plenty of science that may prove me wrong but do you think you will be able to sway people with this mindset? Or are you catering for a specific subset of people?
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Geoffrey Woo
@geoffreywoo · founder @nootrobox, creator of @gocubes
@bentossell Good food is great! Supplements by definition are "supplementary" because it's often hard to get certain nutrients or compounds regularly in a typical diet.