Edmund McMillen

Creator of Super Meat Boy, Binding of Isaac other weird/awesome indie games

THIS CHAT HAPPENED ON September 01, 2015

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Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
im Edmund McMilen, creator of the binding of isaac, super meat boy and a lot of smaller indie games for weirdos. i was featured in indie game: the movie and have been creating games for over 15 years. most of my life has been focused on game design, so im down with talking about any aspect of my work/life/industry.
Khronos@riccardop91 · Student
@edmundmcmillenn Hi Ed! How will Afterbirth daily runs deal with mods? Will there be a way to avoid “cheating” mods to always get top scores?
Isaac@rebirth_hype
@edmundmcmillenn Hi Ed! Will there be changes to old items or enemies in Afterbirth?
@edmundmcmillenn Hey Edmund! Any of the new bosses in Afterbirth going to be characters from previous games? Such as the monster from Aether
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@shloogorgh this was something that slipped my mind actually.. i even had a boss planned... too much content. maybe in an update?
@edmundmcmillenn Any plans to add Online Multiplayer for The Binding of isaac?
Russ Frushtick@russfrushtick
@edmundmcmillenn Thanks for joining us! It seems like every week the indie games space is getting more crowded and even top-notch devs are having trouble standing out. Do you see this as a problem or does it really just come down to making a good product?
Myles@mylesmar10
@russfrushtick To add to this question... around the time of the release of the game Snake Bird, and again more recently, Jon Blow made several comments stating that the indie game train has left the station. Do you agree or disagree with this? Recent example here: https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blo...
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@russfrushtick i honestly think it comes down to not just making a good product, but making something people havent seen, even if its just a small aspect of what the project is. i think there are a lot of quality games out there that fall into obscurity because they arent doing or saying anything new. personally id rather play a subpar game with a unique theme/mechanic than a quality clone of something we have all seen 100 times over. most devs at this point can make a quality game, that is the bar. to go above it and stand out you need to do and say something new, your work needs to stand out from the crowd.
Leury Hidalgo@leurysworld
@edmundmcmillen great question
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@mylesmar10 "If you are thinking of quitting your AAA job to go indie, you probably missed the bus by 3-4 years at this point." i mean yeah, but i would have said this 6+ years ago as well... there was a time around 2008-2010 where the indie scene was just small enough that if you knew what you were doing and had something interesting to say you could break away from people and get noticed quite easily.. but i still wouldnt ever recommend you quite a good paying job to risk your career. the gamble is much higher, but if money and success is the reason why you are getting into making games interdependently there is a very high % chance you were going to fail anyway. ive said many times that if you want to do this, you need to do it because you love it, not because you think its going to pay the bills. for the most part the life on an indie game designer is the life of a starving artist and it sucks that there is that illusion of grand success in it these days, its simply not true, only a hand full of us make any kinda money off what we do.. but that wasnt ever the point. well for me anyway.
John Molloy@newtonsninja
@edmundmcmillenn The path your career took makes it seem like ceasing to be an independent designer/artist was never an option from what you want to express creatively; but your work proves on a mechanical level such a deep understanding and subversion you probably could have easily have plied your craftsmanship at a studio... Was there any circumstances where being a designer at a studio was an option you would have wanted to take? Or regardless of life's path you were always going to be an independent artist?
Jacqueline von Tesmar@jacqvon · Community at Product Hunt ⚡️
Hey Edmund, Great to have you here 😊 Do you have any issues with creative motivation? Any tips on how to overcome?
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@jacqvon ive struggled with artistic frustration many times, ive hit walls with projects and experienced dry spells that made me quite depressed. im really bad when im not creating, most people that know me can attest to that, when im not being creative i feel soulless and stuff gets dark fast :). i feed off of other mediums, when im in a slump ill usually just play music really loud or obsess over a new album i like playing it over and over, at times it feels like im being refilled. if that doesnt work ill usually try to approach what im doing from a new angle, try to see it with new eyes or even watch someone else experience what i have so far in hopes i can see it through their eyes. other times i just cross my fingers and bare down
Max Rubenstein@maxhrubenstein
When is the store coming back up?
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@maxhrubenstein possibly when someone else is running it, the store was shut down last year due to family issues and a big move.. we never reopened it because my wife danielle runs it and we got pregnant shortly after the move. baby is coming in 3-5 weeks so i dont think it will be reopening anytime soon. tyrone has offered to help find a place that will start selling our stuff again, we have a lot of stock left and would love to be free of it.. but you know, life...
Max Rubenstein@maxhrubenstein
@edmundmcmillenn Thanks for replying! Congrats!!
Belle Panda@mspandabelle · Webcam Model
@edmundmcmillenn Naming the baby isaac or eve by any chance? :D
SeaBass@murder_punch
@edmundmcmillenn Will the person that runs the store be able to create and sell new products or only the remaining, existing stock?
Melissa Joy Kong@melissajoykong · Content, Product Hunt
Hi @edmundmcmillenn! Thanks for joining us. I'm curious: are there any genres that you've wanted to jump into but haven't had the chance?
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@melissajoykong i have design docs for a few games that would fit into the categories "metriodvania", "RTS" and "myst", i also have a mega man style one too if that is considered a genre. those are the types of games id like to tackle in the future. it would be awesome to be able to come up with a puzzle game but thats probably the most difficult genre to design around.
Khronos@riccardop91 · Student
@edmundmcmillenn I would really love to see a Myst-like game in your style.
John Molloy@newtonsninja
@edmundmcmillenn You have a "myst"-like game that you doesn't consider a puzzle game... interesting... A "metroidvania" though? So much want, based on your work...
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@newtonsninja yeah well keep in mind none of these would be traditional in any sense.. most people probably wouldn't even see my metriodvinia as what is describe it as :)
John Molloy@newtonsninja
@edmundmcmillenn Who would dare insinuate any moment of "tradition"!? :P - But yes, I expect what your design work would bring to the table would obfuscate any of the idea's roots; But I am fascinated by what elements of "myst" influenced this idea; if it wasn't the "core" "puzzle" elements that made up what, I suspect, most people would consider being "myst"... intrigued... Hope to one day find out :) As for the "metroidvania"; having seen how you reinvented the core systems of nethack/rogue-likes with Isaac, I'm way happy to follow you down where ever the rabbit hole goes...
Isaac@rebirth_hype
Is it possible to do co-op in Greed mode?
Lejla Bajgoric@lejlahunts · Intern, Product Hunt
Thanks for being here Edmund! Any thoughts on the current state of mobile games? Does it change the way you're feeling about Meat Boy Mobile at all?
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@lejlahunts its easy to jump on the band wagon of "current mobile game money making trends suck", because they totally do.. like they suck really bad and they are quite damaging to games in my opinion.. but i wont do that! i think with any shit show, its best to attempt to explore whats there and try to play by these new rules without breaking any of your own. i think there are moral ways to make free to play games that still make you money and dont hurt the game in the process.. its a hard nut to crack but i dont think its hopeless. tommy and i are trying to work around these new rules with super meat boy forever, i wont know how we did till its out.. but we are trying!
Mok Lat@wassollichhier
@edmundmcmillenn when Binding of Isaac will be released in Europe for 3DS / Xbox One? Really locking forward to play it! :)
Mok Lat@wassollichhier
@mariodigoo are you sure?
Mok Lat@wassollichhier
@mariodigoo perfect! thank you for the link!
Jarttasin@spelaaja · Jarttis
@edmundmcmillenn is afterbirth goming to wii u ??
Michael Calvert@deleted-199090 · Game artist in the pursuit of dopesness
@edmundmcmillenn What haven't you personally accomplished in your career that you're striving for?
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@rawrsoft creating art is like being addicted to a drug.. you feel great when you are high but after it ends you just want more. in a lot of ways making games is haunting to me, i feel like i need to be and stay creative to feel like im worth a damn, like a shark i need to keep swimming to stay alive. the only thing i strive for is more, i strive for more freedom to do whatever i wanna do, even if it means leaving games and doing something else. i hope to learn more about myself and the world by creating and i guess in a way i hope to paint a better picture of who i am as i go. id also like to have one of my characters in smash brothers...
Michael Calvert@deleted-199090 · Game artist in the pursuit of dopesness
@edmundmcmillenn I know the feeling and been in a similar place until recently. I've just started doing games and music full-time. You're partly to blame for that. Love to buy you and the lady a beer if you're ever in New York.
Stefan Bender@thegroundwalks
What music do you listen to this days? Did you try QOTSAs older stuff before Like Clockwork and if yes how did you like it?
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@thegroundwalks lately ive been listening to sublime for some reason, im a big qotsa fan and owned all their albums, like clockwork is by far my fave of theirs and a huge achievement in my eyes. ive also been listening to fucked up, marriages, new fath no more, little dragon, sia, mr gnome and shannon and the clams a lot lately.
Dane Barnes@mariochief
@edmundmcmillenn i recently watched your interview on fingered that you did along with James Id, and you brought up how important honesty is to you. I feel the same way, about almost fetishizing it. You have made games about many great themes, do you see yourself making a game about honesty? P.S. you are an awesome person, I hope one day to meet you but I probably wont. Keep making your art and I will continue to enjoy it!
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@mariochief in a way mewgenics was about honesty and human nature... so yeah. when it comes out in 10 years youll know what im talking about :)
Dane Barnes@mariochief
@edmundmcmillenn I look forward to mewgenics being finished someday! Hopefully i wont have to wait 10 years, but I will if i have to!
RealPlatinumGodNunz@platinumgodnunz · TheNunz
@edmundmcmillenn Hi Edmund, have u added some new worse items what can destroy a OP-run?
Peter Menis@borsti4x
@edmundmcmillenn Can we get Online Co-op in Afterbirth?
Stefan Bender@thegroundwalks
What do you think about Gone Home?
Edmund McMillen@edmundmcmillenn · Edmund McMillen
@thegroundwalks i only played the demo as a judge in the IGF, i thought it was interesting. i think there is a place for games like it out there im a fan of out of left field games that people like to fight over if they are games or not... ive found that if i see someone bitching something isnt a game.. ill probably like that game ;)
sGJonesy@sgjonesy1
@edmundmcmillenn When is Afterbirth coming to 3ds systems and when is Rebirth coming to 3ds systems in the EU?